I'm warning you now: I will be blunt. And if you're faint hearted you can stop reading right here.






I warned you.








You sure? Ok. As always, take it for what is worth and no hard feelings, ok? I'm just trying to help you. If I wasn't, I wouldn't take the time to write it all down and explain it for you.





The whole thing was totally wrong and confused from the beginning.

You took the girl you have feelings for AND haven't seen in a long time to a wine venue while wearing a massive dose of an extremely alpha and tricky to use pheromone cologne while having expectations about the night while feeling guilty for screwing things up and, again, using an extremely alpha and tricky to use mone. Then, to make things worse, you put MORE Glace and take her to a different venue and tried to impress her showing your friends and acquaintances just to later on put EVEN ANOTHER pheromone with a different signature to make her as confused as a dog who fell off the moving truck.


AND: The girl is asian.


As Mr. Garry Nelson once said to me:

"-This is always painful, so hang in there, friend."



Let's break it down:

Quote:You took the girl you have feelings for AND haven't seen in a long time...

You started in a disadvantageous position because of your feelings. Here, you should have balanced yourself and set your definitions for the night as well as waited to meet her and feel where she was standing so you could adjust your game/strategy/whatever. Calibration is the key, here.

Quote:...to a wine venue...

Where alcohol influences and makes things even more confuse.

Quote:...while wearing a massive dose of an extremely alpha and tricky to use pheromone...

Completely in discordance to the vibe you were (or were not) projecting as well as scaring her off.

Quote:...while having expectations about the night...

Making your state of mind even more frail as well as not being present in the moment and, again, in discordance to the vibe you were at the time. A woman responds good when you respond good to her.

Quote:...while feeling guilty for screwing things up...

Lowering your self-value, therefore screwing up your state of mind even more. And by the way, you were doing your duty. You should have let that very clear to her from the beginning.

The rest of the text is self-explanatory.

Pheromones cannot be used to try and fix things that should be fixed by the conventional ways. I've learned that the hard way, friend.


OK. What I think you should have done?

Took her out to a casual meeting, like a Burger King, or something. A caffe would have been nice. Then kept casual conversation, ask her how she's been all this time, what's new on her life, trying to get a feel on where she's currently standing on in her life. Things can change very quickly in our current world. After that, you could have gone to a fun or stimulating place, like a crowded book store, a shopping center, somewhere you could talk about things giving a chance to create some rapport between you. Then at the high moment, taking her home, so you would let her wanting more. If you would use a pheromone, I'd suggest something like IO or True Opener, where the Alpha Androstenol would clear the heavy air and make you be more than acquainted strangers.

After that, after you have reestablished your old friendship/connection, after the flame was revived again, you could go on a second date where you could talk to her about your feelings and how you missed her, etc etc. Here you could have used something like IH or True Communication so the Beta Androstenol would create depth of conversation and more rapport. Maybe even some micros of A1 to liven her heart.

I guess things should have been taken slowly friend. Feelings should be cherished. I've been in a similar situation where I was desperately in love and tried to use pheromones (It was Aqua Vitae, ironically) to give me redemption for all my mistakes.

I found out through the hardest and most painful way that hearts cannot be raped.

Yeah dude time to move on. Plenty of hot Asian girls to get instead of this one. Onward & upward!

They are merely tools, not magic, yes some trial and error is involved, but that would be true for almost anything. They can make a difference however and often do. I think the best thing to do would be to go light and simple, no need to mix things. Garry's products are perfectly fine all by themselves, you can add the Androstadienone of course, as he claims he doesn't use it in his products (due to patents on the stuff that a couple companies have) but that it is good to use it. Most products are perfectly fine by themselves.

I think it would be ideal to put something on, and generally forget about it, just have a great time. As far as girls and dates, there's no need to take them to anything fancy right away, work into that over time. It just adds too much pressure and raises expectations and stresses too high and can ruin a good evening for both of you. Additionally, you would feel you need to one up it each time and that would be difficult if you already started at the top.

(01-19-2013 9:46 PM)yj404 Wrote:  Yes, that's what I thought too, but at this point, I need to follow advice from people that have been doing this for a while. I tried it my way, and it hasn't worked. Because of fear of the whole -none concept with Asians, even with Androtics products, I was reluctant to use A314, Turn Up The Heat, etc. I sparingly used Ammo and mainly stuck with socials, which apparently are better for Asian women, like Shine, Openness, Honesty, etc. which all it really did was FriendZone my ass even further...and I don't think I'm ghosting, but even at 3 drops, I don't see results from women!!! Yesterday, I added Glace and that didn't do too much either, maybe opened people up a little bit? As I said to terry, I received the Androstadienone today, and I'm hoping it will make some sort of difference with my AV and Glace combo.

But honestly, this is my last draw....if these don't work, I'm giving up on Pheromones completely. I've spent way too much time and money on these...seriously!!!

Take heart here is an Asian success type thread re AV https://pherotruth.com/Thread-Asian-here...0#pid74530

Quote:Wolf, Possess Alpha, and Nude. I also ordered Glace and hoping that will come in handy, although I mainly ordered it due to reading about it in this forum. I'm pondering if getting Androstadienone ? (I think is how you spell it, the phero for social buffering and usually paired with products like AV to enhance the effects?) but still haven't decided due to the high price of it. I think I've already dropped too much money on Pheromones this month lol....

Oh, and I also ordered P79 and P83 from Androtics but am sort of regretting that because I really was hoping the AV and Glace would work some magic.

Try the products out for one more week or so, stop trying so hard, just try to be normal. If they still fail, then you're probably like me and don't work so well with most products. In that event, I would return them for a refund.

The more magic you want, the less magic you'll get, when you just let go and have fun, you'll see more magic. I know it's tough to get in that mindset, but that's how it needs to be.
Fyi, some products will simply be incompatible with you, AV and Glace didn't work so hot with me. The ones that I would recommend you try before giving up are:
-Corporativo by Alpha Dreams
-anything made by pheromoneXS, such as CohesionXS. The XS series is especially good because you don't need to experiment with dosing, they give you the right amount in 2 sprays

(01-20-2013 4:17 AM)DGamer Wrote:  Try the products out for one more week or so, stop trying so hard, just try to be normal.

Agreed, but he'll need to clean all that Androstenone off his skin or give it some days to fade away. I don't recommend using products with -None several days in a row because the build-up unbalances it.

OKAY, Fly So Hi, AS3, Curiosity, terry0400, DGamer, and anyone else I missed, Thank you so much for all your concerns, advice, guidance, etc. And Fly So Hi, no that's perfectly fine to be blunt with me, and I actually prefer that because I don't like sugarcoated stuff, just the straight daggone honest truth. And seeing how most of you are very experienced in this area already, I would be more than willing to read, listen and try to understand what you are all saying.

Yes, you're all right. There were many things wrong about this so called date to begin with. I did expect too much inside, although I didn't show it to her persay or speak of my emotions to her. The whole wine bar thing has always been our thing...we either went to a bar or lounge of some sort and that's where we both feel most comfortable talking, etc. And the wine bar was actually her idea because she wanted to try this spot that her friends told her about, which is why the whole wine bar thing was chosen to begin with. The 2nd venue I took her to was also her suggestion that we move to a different venue since we were there for about 3 hours at the wine bar already talking, and wanted to move somewhere else. I gave her several options and she picked the one where I know everyone, so we ended up going there.

OK, now those are the facts, about the Pheromones, perhaps I did misjudge the situation. I honestly have NEVER used AV, Glace, and Androstadienone together OR separately. I tried to research its affects on this forum before I decided to purchase them, but honestly, like everything else in life, Pheromones aren't one size fits all, and everyone has their different dosages that work, different products that may or may not work, etc. For one person, a drop of AV can work wonders for them, while 4 drops of AV or any other product may not do anything. I guess as far as Pheromones go, I need to keep experimenting.

My curiosity does still remain though, what exactly does GlACE and Androstadienone do individually? I got the impression Glace was a social enhancer, and Androstadienone I have no idea what that does! All I know is apparenty Androstadienon added to nearly any product enhances and just "makes things better"...but I don't know exactly what it does! I applied Glace with the AV because I thought just AV would be too strong, I'm probably totally off about this, but I had thise feeling that AV was kind of like an extreme version of Ammo from Androtics? It's got social, sexual, Alpha, etc all in one, so maybe even a in between Ammo and Turn Up The Heat. So that's why I applied Glace to try to buffer it and decrease the insane alpha effects of AV. Was this a wrong move? I did reapply Glace thinking it was a social, but never touched AV after I put on the 3 drops and walked out of my home that night.

To be honest everyone, I feel like I found the right forum, I don't know why, but I just have this strong feeling within me that I will finally find success with pheromones here. I believe I have the products I need...I don't know how or how much I will need for them to work, but I believe that between the AV, Glace, Androstadienone, and the samples I have, I have the mix I need. I just need to find my dosages, and most importantly be congruent to what I have on. Perhaps that's something I need to work on....perhaps without knowing it, I am behaving like a beta while screaming Alpha, and maybe thats why I'm not seeing any results.

Even this situation, I think I could've turned it around if I was more congruent and confident. Especially because we have history together, and if she really didn't want to stay in touch with me, I'm sure she wouldn't have. Which tells me that whether its genuine care, or romance, friendship, or whatever she sees in me, I still could've walked away with the better end of the deal if I played the cards right.

So I've come to the conclusion that:

1) Being congruent to the Alpha mix I plan on using (AV, Glace, and Androstradienone) is very important.

2) If I put on a mix and walk out for the night, I need to not think about what I have on, and focus more on how I am perceived as and just chill out.

3) I need to work on becoming the Alpha I want to be, and change things within myself with the use of the mp3's from As3 and others if I can find them, books, and maybe even growing some damn balls and not give a fuck about what others think of me and just do me. (This one will be harder than said obviously)..

4) If all fails, and I still don't see any major changes using these Pheromones, then I guess like someone suggested, I return everything and go back to my life again haha....(THIS WOULD BE THE LAST OPTION OBVIOUSLY)

Btw, does any of the senior members here think that I need to experiment more with the 3 Pheromones I have now? Or does anyone feel that perhaps my signature doesn't flow with these 3 and I should move on or try something else? I just dont understand why people say certain Pheromones don't work with them, while others are successful. I mean the self effects may be a different story, but if you have the right amount of Pheromones on, should it not still be detected by others in your environment? The only reason I feel it wouldn't work, is the whole congruency issue of not appearing what I have on. As a matter of fact, I remember on Thursday night when I went out with a close friend of mine thats a bit older and is very successful (like he's a trader for Hedge funds making 7 figures annually). He was pretty much around me all night, but he seemed to get a lot of attention from the Asian ladies...maybe MY phero ( I had on AV only) was being detected as if HE had it on, because he definitely is more confidant than I am at this point and seems Alpha type.....maybe this is what happened???

Probably yes. It is common to see someone more alpha than you stealing your phero cloud. Been there, done that, with AV again.

Maybe it wasn't wrong reapplying Glace but NA on top of that made it appear kinda confusing.

I'm not nearly an expert with AV but I'd say put less AV and more Glace. But first get rid of that androstenone that is still on your skin! Haha!

Work on your congruence/attitude. It is more important than the pheromone itself. And yes, be more present in the moment. It always yield good results.

(01-20-2013 7:00 PM)Fly So Hi Wrote:  Probably yes. It is common to see someone more alpha than you stealing your phero cloud. Been there, done that, with AV again.

Maybe it wasn't wrong reapplying Glace but NA on top of that made it appear kinda confusing.

I'm not nearly an expert with AV but I'd say put less AV and more Glace. But first get rid of that androstenone that is still on your skin! Haha!

Work on your congruence/attitude. It is more important than the pheromone itself. And yes, be more present in the moment. It always yield good results.

Thanks Fly so Hi...I'm going to go back down to 2 drops of AV on the neck, and maybe 6 sprays of Glace. Any suggestions on drops of Androstadienone? I have the 5mG 10mL bottle, which I think is equal to 10mcg per drop, right?

And yes, I need to work on the congruence issue....I am currently reading As3's journal and holy crap the way he has changed from beta to alpha mode is insane: his hits, his attitude, congruence, confidence, like i dont give a fuck mode...freakin A!

AS3 can guide you on that combo, he's the expert on it. I only used AV and Glace.

Quote: I have the 5mG 10mL bottle, which I think is equal to 10mcg per drop, right?

25 mcg / drop. I'd risk saying two drops would be fine for that combo.