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11-14-2018 6:44 PM

(11-14-2018 5:48 PM)Macro Wrote:  The word right wing means a lot of things - but today it's pretty much people who believe in liberalism/free markets for businesses and govt control over private individuals (ie traditional religious morality).

All true except govt control over private individuals. The centre right philosophy is govt protection of any individual's rights, property and assets. The extreme right would be no govt involvement, i.e anarchism.

People only link govt control and border control to right wing philosophy because of the ongoing terrorist threat and lefties privileges to migrants. In an ideal world I would prefer to not have a nasty dog drool over my crotch every time I enter my own country.
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11-14-2018 6:56 PM

No, people link govt control to the right wing because its been against most new civil rights movements over last several decades; Women's suffrage, black civil rights, gay marriage, drug legalisation. Fortunately they've lost / losing all of them.
The only "right" the right wing establishment cares about is right over property, ie money, ie the right that favors the rich and powerful the most. Also guns.

Nasty dog? What??
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11-14-2018 7:20 PM

No, American conservatism doesn't apply to me. I'm from Europe. The leftie govt here over the last 60 years were never pro gay marriage, all drugs are illegal (only the conservative youth party is pro weed lagalisation here), there were never any black civil rights movement here for obvious reasons.

No, european conservatism encourages all men and women to own their own house paying no property tax. The right wing officials here are mostly small, private business owners working against inflated tax rates to liberate the people from wild govt spending. Guns are encouraged from both sides because hunting is a neccessity here. Guns can also help you protect your own property. The lefties hate that because they want you dependant on the state. Fortuantely, people are seeing through their bullshit and vote right wing or alternative. It's the left empovering the rich. They shill for coorperations. In a right wing society it's much easier to build personal capital. We want higher productivity. More for me, more for you.

Yeah, I hate those nasty border patrol dogs going all into my business. Makes me want to put em down, permanently.
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11-15-2018 2:23 AM

Ok, I'm from UK. It certainly applies here as well as US.
I don't know where in Europe you're from but in most countries the right wing is associated with religious institutions/power and therefore typically been socially conservative. This is undoubtedly true.
Your country's politics are atypical.
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11-15-2018 4:25 AM

I agree with all of MacCauley's points and wanted to add, to better answer Macro's question about the relationship between Marxism and postmodernism/cultural marxism, is that you need to have a victim mentality and to see an oppressor/oppressed dynamic in order to accept that ideology.The dictatorship of proletariat fights exactly that.We've increased perceived social injustices, we've fertilized the soil for Marxism.

Postmodernism and liberal(left wing) governments in the west greatly increased the tension between class tensions, whether that is by race/sexuality/religion/gender etc.We are going back, not forward.

The similarities are too many and all those movements and ideologies are ill willed with their goal being for us to accept marxistic ideologies.You seem greatly invested in your position against conservatism/right wingism/populism because some people drop everything in the same basket, which is due to low IQ and intellectual lazyness (of those people), not ideology.Not seeing the similarities means (for me) that you are deep in your own bias.All I had to say about the matter is already being said times three, I won't continue this conversation.

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11-15-2018 4:49 AM

(11-15-2018 4:25 AM)stefdude Wrote:  I agree with all of MacCauley's points and wanted to add, to better answer Macro's question about the relationship between Marxism and postmodernism/cultural marxism, is that you need to have a victim mentality and to see an oppressor/oppressed dynamic in order to accept that ideology.The dictatorship of proletariat fights exactly that.We've increased perceived social injustices, we've fertilized the soil for Marxism.

This has NOTHING to do with post modernism - post modernism is a view on truth. How the fuck does having a victim mentality make you a post-modernist. It's an intellectual position about our ability to understand truth.
You are repeatedly using words you dont know the meaning of. Here's a link to the wiki page to help you; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernism

Quote:You seem greatly invested in your position against conservatism/right wingism/populism because some people drop everything in the same basket, which is due to low IQ and intellectual lazyness (of those people), not ideology.
I am greatly invested in shooting down uneducated bullshit.

Show me a govt in the last 30 years in a developed country that is Marxist?
Show me a major political party in a developed country in the west that is Marxist?
Point me to a major political figure in a developed country that is a post-modernist marxist?

You can't. Even the most left wing people in the west are anti-communist.

These post-modernist marxist exist in your imagination. You've made them up to make yourselves feel better. It's easy to debate marxism and post-modernism because they're both nonsense and the supporters are nowhere to be seen. But debating a social democrat who believes in a mix of capitalism and socialism - that takes nuance, real understanding about these topics and knowledge of political history.
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11-15-2018 9:50 AM

Victim mentality is postmodernist because they make shit up as they go along. "women were oppressed for 10 000 years". Then please explain to me why royal families are filled with women throughout all of history. "Blacks were the only slaves" Yeah, the conditions were so great for the Irish and the Chinese pre civil war USA. And the most enslaved people in history are whites, approx 1 million captured by the muslims before the crusades. The word slave derives from Slav, the slavic population. Spartacus for example. It explains the lack of white guilt in Eastern Europe. This white guilt trip is both marxists and postmodernist as referred to in my first post.

Lots of major politicians today are marxists SJWs. Macron, Merkel, Trudeau etc. It's offensive to minorities to celebrate with a German flag on German soil. There's many videos of Merkel doing this. There are many ads promoting multiculturalism and interracial relationships in Germany.

Macron also changes definitions to fit his political marxist agenda. He said recently that nationalism is not the same as patriotism. The dictionary disagrees. He's a postmodernist. I suggest you watch his speeches.

And then there's Trudeau. "we prefer to say people-kind, it's more inclusive" It's the prime example of weird postmodernist subjectivism which is bs blended with crazy marxist victimhood mentality.

These are the political figures Jordan Peterson refers to. The speech and thought police, the globalists, the multiculturalists and SJWs. The glaringly obvious double standards from their

I, like most people, believe in freedom of speech. I want my country for own people and the values we built it upon. I don't give a fuck if some voodoo priest in Senegal gets the jollies from sacrificing a goat daily with his community's support. It's none of my business. I just don't want that shit in my community.

To summarize, any idealogy which simultaneously incorporates a victim mentality and strange subjective truths has both marxist and postmodernist roots.

The supporters are nowhere to be seen? Then explain to me how Jordan Peterson is one of those household names today.
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11-15-2018 10:18 AM

OK, I've got call it quits here. Macron/Trudea/Merkel are marxist (communist)? I'm sorry mate, I dont wish to offend, but fact are facts; you simply have no idea what marxism or post-modernism means (I'm more economically left wing with than Macron and I'm not even close to a communist).

"To summarize, any idealogy which simultaneously incorporates a victim mentality and strange subjective truths has both marxist and postmodernist roots."
You've just made this up out of thin air. This is what YOU believe, this is not what the word means - you can check this easily - wikipedia, dictionaries, go speak to a university political scientist, encyclopedias, but you dont check and you dont bother correcting your beliefs when faced with the facts. Doing exactly what you accuse the SJWs of doing "making things up as they go along". You're a post modernist. Read your posts in this thread. Complaint after complaint after complaint - you're the one with victim mentality.

This debate proves what I said to begin with; post-modernist marxist / cultural marxism are just words rw-ingers use to mean anything political they dislike while sounding intelligent to their similarly know-nothing buddies who find multi-syllable words impressive.

Feel free to PM me if you have questions.
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The political figures I mentioned are cultural marxists and postmodernist. Definitions are important and I've clearly explained that cultural marxism is the ideaolgy of the SJW. Cultural marxism - "An umbrella term for identity politics, affirmative action, feminism, radical LGBT activism, Islam apologetics, white privilege, political correctness... Basically the SJW ideology" You can call me a postmodernist by your own defintions, but obviously I disagree. And no I don't have a victim mentality. I've taken full responsibilty for everything in my life, unlike the SJWs. I don't believe in demographic oppression so it's hard to see how I can have a victim mentality. Seems like you're just throwing out insults in an attempt to discredit my views.

Please refrain from attacking my writing style. Honestly, it takes away from your own points. You'll appear more credible if you debate my points and stick to the discussion at hand instead of calling me right winger as if it's something negative and psuedo intelligent.

Usually people resort to personal attacks when they run out sensible ideas, which is the case here. That said, always a pleasure and do let me know if you have anything worthwhile to discuss.
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11-15-2018 3:16 PM

OK after some reading, realising (and remembering) that the term postmodernism is much broader than it's used when they talk about cultural marxism, I'll say that you were right insisting that it's not related directly to marxism.What I'm talking about is a conspiracy:

1.You need to control people, in order to do that you need a big controlling government, not so much free speech, control over the media etc
2.To do this you need people to ask it, people ask their daddy government when they feel victims.Making someone feel victim and entitled to anything is a very successful way to control them, because you infantize them, you take away their responsibilities.
3.Dividing the society also helps in order to elect the big governments
4.So inventing an oppressor is the goal, that makes people victims and creates tension and division in the society.The oppressor needs to be big, so it needs to be the main "class".Who build the West?White christian males.So everything that isn't any of that is an oppressed class.
5.Also you need to go against old principles, especially the family (feminism was the start) in order to create tension between men and women and slow down the birth rates of whites.At the same time you bring illegal immigrants in that is proven they hardly assimilate in the society (while they do whatever they can not to let them assimilate and to brain wash their kids in schools and mosques) and carry a culture that will bring a civil war with mathematical accuracy.

They take parts of marxism and communism, for the people to embrace it initially and for a totalitarian government to arise.One aspect of the plan, the libelar crazyness that everyone is unique, everyone has his truth, everyone has his invented gender etc, is lamely and loosely connected to postmodernism, and that's about it.Not much about real postmodernism there, these people are stupid and in the closet totalitarian.

I don't care in continuing a negative argument here, there are much more important things.I writed all this because I believe in that conspiracy and I think it's important to talk about it and do whatever you can to stop it.We are heading towards a very dangerous path.

They've done studies you know...60% of the time, it works every time
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