Gels are - so far my understanding - for longer duration, that means higher fixation. For that I would use higher amounts of DPG, MCT or glycerine. The evaporation of the mones go down, so you can apply more and get an prolonged even diffusion.

For something highly volatile like PEA, which without proper fixation gives a short burst of too much in the air before it stops working I went to the copolymer fixation, which imho works quite well. It's very cheap as well, the bottle of unscented hair spray was like 2 bucks. It also has the benefit of being through some sort of dermatologic testing, otherwise they would not be able to sell it.

Are there additional benefits of gels that I'm not aware of?

Oh, and @Tracer, I typically would go for 1 to 2 mg / ml in the dilution. So a 50 mg DHEA capsule would go into 25 to 50 ml of alcohol. And as the stuff is so cheap, I would do not less then 100 ml. By having a bit more material, any mistakes, spoiling, any residuals you can't avoid don't count as much. If I get my hands on pure natural neroli oil I would be less generous due to it's price.

(06-13-2023 9:12 AM)Marcus Antonius Wrote:  Gels are - so far my understanding - for longer duration, that means higher fixation. For that I would use higher amounts of DPG, MCT or glycerine. The evaporation of the mones go down, so you can apply more and get an prolonged even diffusion.

For something highly volatile like PEA, which without proper fixation gives a short burst of too much in the air before it stops working I went to the copolymer fixation, which imho works quite well. It's very cheap as well, the bottle of unscented hair spray was like 2 bucks. It also has the benefit of being through some sort of dermatologic testing, otherwise they would not be able to sell it.

Are there additional benefits of gels that I'm not aware of?

Oh, and @Tracer, I typically would go for 1 to 2 mg / ml in the dilution. So a 50 mg DHEA capsule would go into 25 to 50 ml of alcohol. And as the stuff is so cheap, I would do not less then 100 ml. By having a bit more material, any mistakes, spoiling, any residuals you can't avoid don't count as much. If I get my hands on pure natural neroli oil I would be less generous due to it's price.

Nice.

The thing is I remembered reading a conversation here between a member and Garry since he's the only one who has pheromone products in gel carriers and he did mention that he has a little bit of alcohol to help with deffusion because gel alone is not enough.

Even that alone is not enough according to my extensive testing with OD gel. I see it working on my when I sweat a lot or spray a Cologne ontop.

I'm going to look for unscented hair sprays and see if I can dabble with that but in the mean time I wanna figure out if I can maybe add more alcohol to gel ratio to help it defuse faster.

Yes there is a risk of faster diffusions making the life span of said product shorter but OD alone lasts more than 24 hours and I feel that is too much. I think the best cut off for me is no more than 16 hours (from 7 am to 11pm )

But I still love my OD, apply in the morning and it lasts and lasts and lasts.

How has your yohimbine testing going ?

I just found out, yohimbine is actually banned here in Canada lol. No wonder the people who sold me it changed its name to "flower extract" now it makes sense.

Lol, you are able to by THC but not yohimbine in Canada. That gives me a new respect to that molecule!

I'm still trying to figure that out. Right now there's only the office, as I have no "club work" to do. Up to now not as blatant as the THC (this one is barely to miss).

People in the office are highly positive, I see female glances, right now I can't figure out if out of the norm. And of course it's hard to react on them.

Typically I would be rather to realize negative outcomes, as for example with my Wolf experience recently.

So on yohimbe I'm still in test.

Thanks MA , I understand that, but the issue is (if adding 10 gm of yohimbe powder in 100 ml alcohol and mix it well,
HOW MUCH THE CONCENTRATION OF YOHIMBINE ( the active compound) in the mix?
As you know it’s one of many compounds in yohimbe powder .
So that was my answer.

This is the yohimbe I ordered.

https://www.us.pipingrock.com/products/s...per-bottle

If I can I try to find things in liquid. This liquid is 2300mg per 2ML and there is 56 drops per 2ML, so 41.07MG per drop. I will have to dilute it down even further.