Buddy or not that's not my point Mark, I think anyone deserve respect. You will noticed that I still respect you as a person even if I don't agree with you on the way you are managing this forum. And that's why it's harder for you to ban me now, as I'm not taking you as an enemy. I'm not those stupid imbecile you can ban easily because I brought you legitimate reason to improve the way you are managing the forum.

And here you are saying that Ohmygod said something true, which confirmed it was okay for him to use this words and that it is legitimate to abuse a new member.

And what Andrew did wasn't a promotion directly he was removing misinformation about his product. Which could bring new customer indirectly but you can't prove it was done intentionally. As far as I can tell your members also are promoting phero product on subliminal-shops and no one call them fu***ckers.

And about the pirating of product, is that something normal to you?

Also about Renny what he said about essential oil wasn't true so you can't call that bashing either. He was spreading misinformation about essential oil.

Seems to me like this back an forth bickering can be done via PM rather than burn up this thread.

This thread is about Catlord coming back to the pheromone world and not about something that happened to Catlord's friend 5 years ago...

(10-11-2016 2:24 PM)InnerPower Wrote:  Buddy or not that's not my point Mark, I think anyone deserve respect. You will noticed that I still respect you as a person even if I don't agree with you on the way you are managing this forum. And that's why it's harder for you to ban me now, as I'm not taking you as an enemy. I'm not those stupid imbecile you can ban easily because I brought you legitimate reason to improve the way you are managing the forum.

And here you are saying that Ohmygod said something true, which confirmed it was okay for him to use this words and that it is legitimate to abuse a new member.

And what Andrew did wasn't a promotion directly he was removing misinformation about his product. Which could bring new customer indirectly but you can't prove it was done intentionally. As far as I can tell your members also are promoting phero product on subliminal-shops and no one call them fu***ckers.

That's almost funny, because there are a number of members that think I'm to forgiving and don't ban those that should be banned, or at least not nearly as fast as they should be. In fact I'd bet dollars against dimes that there are a number of members that would like to see you banned!

Your buddy Andrew made 1 post linking to his forum and nothing else ever. That hardly qualifies him as a new member and Ohhmygod's post was not made until 20 days later.

There is a difference between members of a forum posting information on or links to another forum, and the owner of a forum doing it on someone else's forum. How do you think Shannon and Andrew would feel if I went to their forum and posted a link to this forum?

It's happening right now, just check the new thread about subliminal. Same behavior.

(10-11-2016 2:39 PM)mark-in-dallas Wrote:  That's almost funny, because there are a number of members that think I'm to forgiving and don't ban those that should be banned, or at least not nearly as fast as they should be. In fact I'd bet dollars against dimes that there are a number of members that would like to see you banned!

Your buddy Andrew made 1 post linking to his forum and nothing else ever. That hardly qualifies him as a new member and Ohhmygod's post was not made until 20 days later.

There is a difference between members of a forum posting information on or links to another forum, and the owner of a forum doing it on someone else's forum. How do you think Shannon and Andrew would feel if I went to their forum and posted a link to this forum?

Sure they would want me to banned, but it doesn't make it a legitimate reason, that's an opinion, it's not something justifiable. On the other hand insulting someone is to me but doesn't seem to you. There is not even a word from you on that, that would indicate that you are against those type of behavior, you are even promoting it in your last post.

I think you are playing victim here, How can you compare promoting the forum with insulting members or people themselves. Even if there are not member there is people behind those keyboard, they deserve respect, you are the one supposed to handle those responsibilities.

Your members are clearly insulting subliminal-shop members, isn't that a sort of self promotion by the way ?

Wow this got silly to the next level. As a new member I'm loving this forum. Can we get back to the topic please? Thanking you.

Back to Business:

The following was posted by Stevo on the PXS forum yesterday.


"Originally posted by knowledgeispower

Mass Spectrometry is the best form of reverse engineering and I believe it has already been tried and it was not successful because Androtics puts a high amount of plant sterols in their mixes to mask the pheromones so they become lost in the noise =/"


"I had an interesting experience with this actually myself. We were testing a new source and something they had sent us was supposedly Alpha Androstenol but didn't quite have the bounce I had come to know. We tested it with Thin Layer and it was 98% pure but when we did the IR test it was significantly different from a known specimen of Alpha Androstenol the scientist at the lab produced himself. Only thing was that even though this is a prestigious lab with an impeccable reputation the sample of Alpha Androstenol we were provided back as reference point (same one they used for the IR test) I was really surprised at how different it was from any Alpha Androstenol I had ever used. I forwarded some to Dancing Joker and he was of the same opinion. Both our new sourced Alpha Androstenol and the labs Alpha Androstenol were only in name and not results.

I personally believe it has a lot to do with the actual formulation process itself. Jessie knew Walters meth formula and cooked many batches before getting a blend similar to his, but never quite as good or the same. The cook matters.

Anyway I found a lab who would test our new source molecule for a significant charge. That charge alone negated any savings and those savings would have been significant.

What it all comes down to is many, many hours of research and personal testing on what molecule does what. If a person willing to say they know what a formula is of any company first ask them how long they have been using the blend for. I've heard many stories about how certain people have allegedly reversed engineered some of XS blends without ever trying them not even a single time. Pretty sure somebody told 2000GT what a formula was but it was 2000GT formula to begin with and they were completely wrong. But not surprisingly their defense was oh but I never tried it, I'm only going off what others said.

We try new molecules here at XS at least a few times a year. We have quite a few ready for public release, while quite a few others are duds. A pheromone enthusiast is someone who gets their hands dirty and goes out testing and testing and then testing some more. Anyone can play forum jockey but that doesn't make them a specialist. Quite frankly its why I stopped posting on other forums and dealing with other vendors: to many fakers looking to make a buck but never used their own products let alone anyone else.

I get a lot of requests of just how much of this or that is in a blend from certain people who clearly have an agenda. Isn't it funny to then read the same people telling you they are attempting to reverse engineer blends, oh but not any of XS blends I'm sure. Just like thundr wasn't going around bad mouthing XS so he could then start his own company. LOL the level some people will stoop is sad.

I've always respected Catlord17 and we spent many of hours just chatting about life, game and pheromones on the phone over the years. He's a guy very much like myself who when he was active was immersed into pheromones. His, like mine, wasn't forum jockeying, but rather earned results from years of trials, testing and hard work. Don't let his calculater thingy fool anyone for a second. The man busted his ass to understand pheromones and that knowledge went into his creation of a calculator. If the opportunity is right and he can make money while XS offers a valuable resource to the community I'm all for it. We have a call scheduled tomorrow night. My priority has been getting the EU Center up and running and to be this close is just an exciting time for me. Its been to long coming."

-Stevo

"Panty Scorcher was calculated entirely by the use of a software program I created for myself originally intended to tell me what the optimal pheromone product to use in any given situation was, and the optimal amount to use each time."


This seems to imply that at any given time or situation, you would need a different formula and amount.

(10-17-2016 7:09 AM)Pheroman Wrote:  "Panty Scorcher was calculated entirely by the use of a software program I created for myself originally intended to tell me what the optimal pheromone product to use in any given situation was, and the optimal amount to use each time."


This seems to imply that at any given time or situation, you would need a different formula and amount.

Wow. So the doses I've been using are different at different occasions? Probably why I've been getting different results. So when I did get lucky, could it be the mones or could it be my game?

(10-17-2016 9:15 AM)DrChocolate Wrote:  Wow. So the doses I've been using are different at different occasions? Probably why I've been getting different results. So when I did get lucky, could it be the mones or could it be my game?

@DrChocolate--You misinterpreted what is being said here because you were not given the full context of the discussion.

The discussion was about various levels of molecule concentration coming from the supplier. From supplier to Vendor. It's a discussion about supplier variances.

Remember the Androstenone crisis that happened at Alpha Dreams where it turned out that the formula for AM was correct but the concentration (strength) of the Androstenone was stronger than previous batches. Like Steve O said it's all about the chef.

So as far as you are concerned this is a non issue for you.

If you are getting inconsistent results then you need to take note. Does the formula work on blonds but not brunettes? Does the formula work on older women better than with younger women? Are you outdoors or indoors? When does the formula stop working altogether? Has the formula reached it's time limit? Do fails happen in the daytime or at night or at both times?

All factors to look at. But it could just be your game.