I've been thinking about this sigma male idea and it is interesting.

I think the type of guy who fits the description of a "sigma male" would not call himself a "sigma male". That is because a "sigma male" is off the hierarchy and any sort of label like this implies a position on the social hierarchy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OVHnWyDmdw

Well said, Metal

(04-28-2022 1:34 PM)metaltree Wrote:  I think the type of guy who fits the description of a "sigma male" would not call himself a "sigma male".

I would like to disagree.

When the discussion went down to "I am so alpha and you are incels if you are not such a great fucker as I am" (not you metaltree...) I thought I would be out, but I am really intrigued by this idea.

And I would think that this "sigma" description really fits a lot of my live. And this is completely out of any PUA stuff. Actually in my occupational life - I don't want to brag, I just describe - I let's say earn quite a bit more than 1 Mio USD per decade, deal with business decisions worth north of 20 Mio per year, and rank similar than a manager in command of 50 white collar or 200 blue collar workers. Yet I have not a single man at my direct command. I actually tell the managers what they have to decide. Think of Merlin to King Arthur, or the advisors to the PotUS. These are classical sigma positions.

An additional benefit is, that such positions come with more freedom and independence than the alpha position itself. In a professional psychological analysis done during some management training, came out, that I - as some others,. mostly the so-called "Artisans" by the Keirsey Temperament Sorter (there is a Wikipedia article on that), are not driven by the urge to dominate others, but the urge to be independent from others. I don't need to tell others that to do, but I hate to get told what to do.

I'm sure that kind of thinking has no appeal to the folks who think of alphas in pure PUA terms. To these: go back playing alpha and count your lays...

Alphas needs packs, that's where the word comes from. There are just not enough packs out there for all the self-declared alphas. And when clubbing, such pack would be too much of social control for me. The hedonistic last reported club night of mine I would not have done with anyone I know. I want to be myself without thinking 'is this women hot enough, do it hurt my status to approach her', 'it is silly or embarrassing when I dance to this silly German hit music', 'oh shit, they know that I am in a Long Term Relationship, I have to behave'. I enjoy the anonymity, I can - and must - direct all my extroversion - of which I have quite a bit - to the crowd of ladies. Meanwhile almost all male-male interactions I get, are smooth and of mutual respect. An occasional anonymous instant wing-man, a smooth chat with the bouncers (I never, ever had a bad experience with them - and these can be scary...), a super-jacked gym bro who celebrated me and my lady-of-the-nite, a cheerful party with a bunch of air force majors... The more alphaish the guys, the more smooth the interaction. All this while I am not bossy or alphholish. Just me and that's enough. This is sigma for me.

To state "I'm sigma" is more honest, more humble and Imho more sexy as well.

Take dsouza, the OP, he, and I hope I don't insult you, appear to me quite sigma. A musician, fully independent, the only in this forum bold enough to share his full personality with web page and YouTube channel and all. To me not an alpha, a pack leader, but one who is extremely smooth with the ladies and has surly an impressive lay count. A serious sigma, which is a badge of honor.

Or just recently I read iin some journal about these ONS that happen so easily when traveling. Sure, no social pressure, just bold self-assured independent sigma-dom.

And yes, this is all a cliche, the real world is much more complex, I know. All models are wrong, but some are useful...

And now, come all, hate me, call me incel and red or blu or green or whatever pill (I never understood anyhow which is which) - I'm just to sigma to care...

I never thought this discussion would blow up but I had a feeling.

For years now on PT we've all been battling Alpha vs Beta debates.

No ones ever brought up sigma.

I don't think there are posts on this forum that go back that far , although I haven't done a search.

So in itself it seems interesting.

Some people here believe sigma's don't exist, and I'm here to tell you the current PUA community is putting a spin on them. I don't how much is marketing or how much is worth it's weight in gold, but I'm willing to listen to you guys take turns at this debate.

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https://adriandsouzarocks.com

MY JOURNAL:
https://pherotruth.com/Thread-Dsouza-s-J...-Seduction

I didn't know it has it's origin in the PUA world. The idea that there's more than just linear hierarchies, that there is a bit or anarchy, that one can stand outside of it, resonates with me. But what do I care what the PUAs are thinking. I'm sure that the nazis (or the commies, or whoever you think was terrible people) believed in a spherical earth - that's not a reason for me to deny it.

Let define sigma game:
Very close to this Nike ad scene.
https://youtu.be/QNiRK9TKumI

Sigma. No games - just game.

Marcus;
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I think another characteristic of a sigma would be a lack of visceral response to normal status signals.

A sigma would not be impressed by meeting a A list celebrity. He/she would would instinctively feel like the celebrity is just another human being - no better, no worse. A sigma would not look down upon a homeless person. The sigma would instinctively view the homeless person as another human being as well - no better, no worse.

(04-29-2022 1:55 PM)metaltree Wrote:  I think another characteristic of a sigma would be a lack of visceral response to normal status signals.

A sigma would not be impressed by meeting a A list celebrity. He/she would would instinctively feel like the celebrity is just another human being - no better, no worse. A sigma would not look down upon a homeless person. The sigma would instinctively view the homeless person as another human being as well - no better, no worse.

That's means a real sigma would never tolerate arranged marriage , where people are matched based on status, wealth, looks, compatibility etc.

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https://adriandsouzarocks.com

MY JOURNAL:
https://pherotruth.com/Thread-Dsouza-s-J...-Seduction

(04-29-2022 2:45 PM)dsouza Wrote:  That's means a real sigma would never tolerate arranged marriage , where people are matched based on status, wealth, looks, compatibility etc.

At an intuitive level I don't think a sigma would like the idea. But sometimes people have to suck it up and accept things that they don't like.