I've got a theory which I've been thinking about strongly recently which I'd like to share with you guys. To start off I think like most of the problems when it comes to achieving goals , whether it's wealth, women or whatever, it all comes from the mind, mindset and your subconsicous paradigms. Those things are highly influenced externally like for ex from the media and other people.

In a way we have aura projected from our innerselves. Pheromones slightly alter this state suddenly giving us a different feeling, also acts as a feedback loop to alter hormones, and even it alters the behavior of others.

That gives us a nice boost, however with time we adapt to it, and with the same external stimulants on our subconscious mind we'll reach a similar state as pre-pheromone appliences (unless if we improved ourselves during the time of the use of pheromones). So for ex you have an amazing AV status aura intially but your behavior and mind is getting reconditioned to something thats not serving that state, and you end up with your normal status aura with AV

That would explain why suddenly people who suddenly stop using mones feel invisible suddenly. It's this sort of balance I guess

I believe we're being conditioned even while on pheromones, thus our aura is getting altered regardless. And that explains why the problem of incongruence occurs. Never gets old saying you're not congruent with the mone, but here I mean it on a deep inner game/subconscious level.

What are your thoughts?

Something that might go against your thesis, but must not be a cantradiction as it might just be an additional aspect. Complex interactions often have several pathways that control each other in positive or negative feedback loops.

My experience is that after I experienced enough positive events with the help of mones, my state of mind is altered in a way, that I now can even experience the same interactions and stati even without the mone. I'm much bolder, have no approach anxiety anymore and are much less self conscious in a negative way. My brain is somehow reprogrammed.

The effect of the mone is still the same, at least on others. My self effects are reduced with prolonged use, but I was never a strong self-feeler. But definitely both negative and positive self effects are much less.

(06-03-2023 10:15 AM)Marcus Antonius Wrote:  Something that might go against your thesis, but must not be a cantradiction as it might just be an additional aspect. Complex interactions often have several pathways that control each other in positive or negative feedback loops.

My experience is that after I experienced enough positive events with the help of mones, my state of mind is altered in a way, that I now can even experience the same interactions and stati even without the mone. I'm much bolder, have no approach anxiety anymore and are much less self conscious in a negative way. My brain is somehow reprogrammed.

The effect of the mone is still the same, at least on others. My self effects are reduced with prolonged use, but I was never a strong self-feeler. But definitely both negative and positive self effects are much less.

This makes sense, I feel the same with Bad Wolf, I dont really feel a difference whether I wear it now. But I dont really get self effects.

So I think there are two options either its the subconscious thats responsible for it, or the body generating different hormones, could be both as its all linked

First I need to clarify that I meant that I'm less self conscious than before, and that is a good think as self conscious ruminating is a bad thing.

On the topic:
If there is an olfactory message sent by the pheromones, I see no reason while people should stop to response to this, beside they are so often hit by the mones that they are desensitized.

Desensitization happenes always if a chemical substance hits the receptors to often. Think of alcohol or any drug. Same with hormones as e.g. insulin. So most likely this is reason while self effects diminish with use. During the lock-downs I didn't use mones for over a year, afterwards with the first time BW I had the strongest self effect ever, because my receptors had become sensitive again.
Similar was my reaction to the first reuse of XS Bliss after the reopening of the XSP Bulgarian shop.

The other effect which is scientifically described is neuriplasficity, the ability of the brain to restructure itself based on experiences. This is how new habits are build. The repeated behavioral changes, initially driven by the mones, become habits. After a while it might be that the mones don't hit the receptors as hard, but now the new neuronal paths take over. This should happen to the mone wearer, as this person is bitted most and strongest, but also to others who are often under the influence of the mones, e.g. SO's.

I don't know if my answer is along the lines of the discussion but I was thinking after all these years of using different pheromones

I would say that for my part the pheromones did not change me permanently, I return very quickly to my initial state when I stop wearing them. I am very sensitive to self effects but the problem is that I develop receptor fatigue quickly

My reflection is as if our identity linked to the pheromone was pre-defined in advance, perhaps since childhood and that it is almost impossible to modify permanently and completely.

I interpret stress reactions, insomnia and fatigue as a struggle of our natural signature against the new signature of synthetic pheromones.

It happens at the unconscious level because I can feel confident, alpha when I wear pheromones but my body is in a state of stress. I can feel it at night when I fall asleep

(06-03-2023 2:39 PM)Marcus Antonius Wrote:  First I need to clarify that I meant that I'm less self conscious than before, and that is a good think as self conscious ruminating is a bad thing.

On the topic:
If there is an olfactory message sent by the pheromones, I see no reason while people should stop to response to this, beside they are so often hit by the mones that they are desensitized.

Desensitization happenes always if a chemical substance hits the receptors to often. Think of alcohol or any drug. Same with hormones as e.g. insulin. So most likely this is reason while self effects diminish with use. During the lock-downs I didn't use mones for over a year, afterwards with the first time BW I had the strongest self effect ever, because my receptors had become sensitive again.
Similar was my reaction to the first reuse of XS Bliss after the reopening of the XSP Bulgarian shop.

The other effect which is scientifically described is neuriplasficity, the ability of the brain to restructure itself based on experiences. This is how new habits are build. The repeated behavioral changes, initially driven by the mones, become habits. After a while it might be that the mones don't hit the receptors as hard, but now the new neuronal paths take over. This should happen to the mone wearer, as this person is bitted most and strongest, but also to others who are often under the influence of the mones, e.g. SO's.

Hmm so you're saying it's mainly body chemisty with the synthetic products, we just get used to it. I can agree on the new habits forming but I do wonder if the issue isn't only mental, you could argue that the brain is just releasing chemicals all that time so it's all the same haha

(06-03-2023 8:24 PM)Jarod Wrote:  I don't know if my answer is along the lines of the discussion but I was thinking after all these years of using different pheromones

I would say that for my part the pheromones did not change me permanently, I return very quickly to my initial state when I stop wearing them. I am very sensitive to self effects but the problem is that I develop receptor fatigue quickly

My reflection is as if our identity linked to the pheromone was pre-defined in advance, perhaps since childhood and that it is almost impossible to modify permanently and completely.

I interpret stress reactions, insomnia and fatigue as a struggle of our natural signature against the new signature of synthetic pheromones.

It happens at the unconscious level because I can feel confident, alpha when I wear pheromones but my body is in a state of stress. I can feel it at night when I fall asleep

I get you, but your pheromone signature can change and it does during the years. Going to the gym, getting in shape, being healthy, being sexually active it all effects it.

But your issue looks like a subconscious thingy which might align with my theory that it's a lot in the mind of why the Pheromones fail after time.

I dunno if pheromones are design to build permenant effects, I think Bad Wolf was originally designed with that idea, and it does have some feelings that kind got stuck with me, but it might be due to the way I approached using this product and the experiences I've built. I think it's the closest to my natural phero signature, but it could be that it hasn't been so always. I remember how it used to make me feel amazing at times, how I ODed and had such a pounding heart from no reason, and much more stuff. I can definately say that using products you're stretching a lot of your own hormones and mental stuff while using such products.

Something that might also go with the theory of "pre-defined signatures" is that some products never seem to work for some, could be they didn't try hard enough, could be something else, from Garry's old videos I remember him mentioning a guy that took like 3 months to get a product to work for him so there's that.