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RE: Signed up cause too much conflicting information
03-29-2019 4:20 PM

I think that there have been some very good points made here by both Gladen and metaltree in particular. The pheromone vendors that are listed here are legitimate and have been vedded not just by the site owner but the community. None of us want to risk wasting our hard earned money but because everyone is different, your results may differ. I approach pheromones the same way as Gladen. I'll read reviews, look at the copy put forth by the company and then decide for myself whether or not to give something a try. Some things work well for me, such as The Hookup or Evolve. Other things, not so much, such as Bliss or Bad Wolf. These products may or may not work for someone else based on their personality or body chemistry. That doesn't mean that the companies that put forth the products that DIDN'T work for me are frauds. It just means that those particular products didn't cause the desired outcome for me.

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RE: Signed up cause too much conflicting information
03-30-2019 2:53 AM

First thank you all for your replies, if you would be so kind as to excuse my tone in the first behavior, as it was partly the result of irritation, lack of sleep.

To the point addressing the scientific validity of the test I proposed, it is not a scientific test, but merely the best of the kind given the restrictions. There are far too many variables for it to be scientific, but a bit of a baseline in reviewing would help identifying hwat's useful and hwat's not.

(03-28-2019 11:31 PM)metaltree Wrote:  
(03-28-2019 9:52 PM)hoxha Wrote:  It would be appreciated if there was a thread with more concrete testing criteria for the pheromones used, such as: I approached x amount of people with y on and report rejection rate, seeing how whether the existence of pheromones in the first place is still a subject of debate in the scientific community that strict criteria ought to be the baseline.

Yes, conflicting information for sure. Every product you will find people who it didn't work for.

Almost everything here is anecdotal. Even if it were scientific and you could pinpoint the exact best product for the average guy, how do you know that you were not an outlier? Different products work for different guys because every guy has a unique personality and unique base pheromone signature.

Once you become an active member, you can start a concrete testing thread. There are guys in this forum who would like that. As for me, I'm too lazy for that.

I created a first purchase thread that may or may not be helpful.
https://pherotruth.com/Thread-First-Purc...op-Choices

Also check out the Top 5 threads too.
https://pherotruth.com/Thread-Top-5-Pheromones-for-2019
https://pherotruth.com/Thread-Top-5-Pheromones-for-2018
https://pherotruth.com/Thread-Top-5-Pher...-2016-2017
https://pherotruth.com/Thread-Top-5-Pher...-2015-2016
https://pherotruth.com/Thread-Top-5-Pher...-2014-2015

Your thread looks very helpful thanks.

(03-29-2019 7:53 AM)Paradox Wrote:  
(03-28-2019 9:52 PM)hoxha Wrote:  To me it seems 90% of the people posting about the reactions they are getting do not count as worth posting in the first place, from the random someone playing with her hair to observing eye dilation, it just doesn't really matter, whether true or not

It would be appreciated if there was a thread with more concrete testing criteria for the pheromones used, such as: I approached x amount of people with y on and report rejection rate, seeing how whether the existence of pheromones in the first place is still a subject of debate in the scientific community that strict criteria ought to be the baseline.

Any other """"reaction"""" should not really be taken seriously as they are 100% subjective.

To add, how come a Raw Chemistry is not reviewed when it probably has more sales than every product reviewed here put together, this shows vested interest in only certain products?

Welcome Hoxha, Here is the thing with reviews. It is very subjective.

The quality of the review depends on the experience of the poster. Anyone here can post a review. Anyone. That includes the teen guy who has not even dated a woman yet. That includes the 40 year old virgin. That includes the shy guy, the recluse, the nerd and the average guy. Anyone can post here.

So now, as far as sexuals whose opinion would you believe....the man who has bedded 150 women in his life? The teenager who has slept with two women? The married man who has been married for 7 years? All of these men are represented here and all of them feel that their opinion about products are legitimate.

Who is better to rate an Alpha formula? A leader of men? Someone who is a natural beta? Or the average guy? Who is better to rate a Social pheromone formula?

For this forum the answer is that everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Like you I too was confused by the reviews/reports posted.

When I first came to the Pherotalk forum 10 years ago one of the products being hailed as being a great sexual was MX297. Because of the great reviews, I brought two bottles and tested it. I had just come from a 10 year moderating stint at SoSuave.com. So, I used my best techniques and could not get laid while wearing MX297. I reported this in my journal at Pherotalk. I also wrote a review panning MX297 as friendzone juice. I was attacked by fanboys of the formula and fanboys of the company (Androtics). It was years later when the many Veterans and the Moderator at Pherotalk Steve O (who now owns Pheromone XS) admitted that MX297 was friendzone juice.

It's all about experience.

I did once or twice recommend a format for reviews but that fell on deaf ears. The guys here are not scientists. On top of that observations are subjective.

People here are very reluctant to bash a product that does not work. When a product does not work for them they stay silent. I spoke up about the poor performance of A314 V32. I was banned from Androtics for making negative comments about A314. They later admitted that A314 was no longer being made by the original formulator Michael Harris. I recently spoke about my experience with M3X. I have been banned from purchasing products from Apex Pheromones because I commented that it was no longer working for me.

Then there is the problem of company loyalty and product loyalty

So for all of the reasons above you will get a variety of opinions.

The solution is to try a few products for yourself then find someone who posted the same conclusions that you came to when you tried the product.

That's how I found my teacher Tacitus (RIP). His observations and mine were always the same. Dbot was also a good observant poster.

There are alot of good Veterans here but many of them do not post reviews out of fear. The members here are afraid of reprisals from Vendors. I am a living example of reprisals from vendors as Androtics and Apex Pheromones have both banned me because I expressed my opinion about a product.

I never imagined such tactics would be taking place on the forum, disgusting. I've seen pheromone house and tacitly accepted that many of the reviews out there were nonsense, but didn't imagine they would take it that far.

And you are correct, they would all be subjective, I had worded it incorrectly, should have said less subjective results instead as there are too many uncontrolled for factors.

But fact of the matter is whether pheromones are actually utilized by humans or not is still a subject of debate. It is true that colognes and perfumes have reproductive organs of plants and animals (musk is basically a form of testosterone), and it is true that they have an effect on attraction, they do not have claims that rise to the ones being made by so many of the pheromone products marketed around here.

Female pheromones do work (though they have yet to be fully identified) because women have reproductive cycles, men don't have reproductive cycles, we don't have a rut (mating season) and go through periods like muths in elephants where they go berserk. And is there any evidence that any of the great apes use pheromones to attraction? I don't think so


(03-29-2019 9:08 AM)theLaw Wrote:  To answer your questions, there's very little money in legit mone products, and very few people actually test them (self-selecting beta-males make up most of the forum).

There's far more to be made from marketing mediocre products (see Raw's Amazon reviews).

Have you tested it? It had some rather convincing positive reviews from people that did that kind of testing.

(03-29-2019 10:02 AM)MacCauley Wrote:  
(03-29-2019 7:53 AM)Paradox Wrote:  When I first came to the Pherotalk forum 10 years ago one of the products being hailed as being a great sexual was MX297. Because of the great reviews, I brought two bottles and tested it. I had just come from a 10 year moderating stint at SoSuave.com. So, I used my best techniques and could not get laid while wearing MX297. I reported this in my journal at Pherotalk. I also wrote a review panning MX297 as friendzone juice. I was attacked by fanboys of the formula and fanboys of the company (Androtics). It was years later when the many Veterans and the Moderator at Pherotalk Steve O (who now owns Pheromone XS) admitted that MX297 was friendzone juice.

It's all about experience.

Tell me about it. Not only experience, it's all about perception.

I used Xist oil out one night when I first bought it. I was very excited because of the rave reviews. Over the course of a couple of hours in a small, local bar 2 middle aged women had come over to my table and offered me a drink. That happened rarely. I was in my mid 20's at the time. Now, many guys would call that legitimate results.

My perspective was completely different. To say it's a good thing that 2 mediocre women in their 40's had the belief to think I would be that easy and desperate was crazy to me. It lowered my confidence more than anything. That's just my perception.

As for the OP I disagree there are too many conflicting reviews. Honestly, there aren't enough. If experiences and mindsets aren't challenged all we end up with is parroting and confirmation bias. We need diversity of personalities, environments and perceptions to have a proper discussion and to get deeper into the effects of any given pheromone. I often see users experiences echo my own, at least more often than not. I like it when a member doesn't get my results and hopefully I can get a good picture of why that's the case.

I agree there's a lot of fluff in many posts, but that's true for all forums. It is what it is. It can add or take away depending on how you see it. In any case, it's all on you. If you can't make a decision or place blind faith in every review that's your problem. And some people are terrible writers while some are exceptionally good at articulating their thoughts. Some members have poor English skills. Just filter through it and make an educated guess.

I will say this though and I've said it before. Vendors should have an option where you can buy 5 samples for $X. Aromafero has something like that and hopefully it becomes a standard.

I'd say being approached by the two ladies was pretty good evidence that it worked tho. The lack of sampling is indeed a problem, given how different people have different chemical profiles.

(03-29-2019 11:49 AM)arrhenius Wrote:  Is this so uncommon? Gym forums you have skinny guys sitting at a 20 BMI writing dissertations on how to grow. How often do you work with people whose sense of self-importance drives them to "help" you do what you were already perfectly capable of handling yourself?

This is going on everywhere, so what do you do here? you listen to those who have done what you want to do, not those who haven't who say they know how.

A lot of people are scared of the actual process of getting laid (approaching, esclating, etc) and see mones as a backdoor somehow, though i think these guys tend to be newer. They see the increased success rate of users that were already succesful without mones and think that'll be them, but then it isnt and they're back to the drawing board.

BTW, i've had PT-141 sitting in my cabinet for the past year. I think it was Darklord who wrote about it, but i remember seeing that post and thinking the same thing you did lol, i just couldnt find enough on keeping it stable over time. I'm pretty sure it degrades after a couple weeks at most in bact water, not sure perfumers alcohol would be any better.

Is there any thread out there for how to prepare it? Please use it and report back
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(03-29-2019 3:37 PM)Gladen Wrote:  If I might add my 3 cents to this (2 cents worth plus inflation), there is simply no common starting point from individual to individual to ever hope to establish any sort of commonality as a baseline.

While you claim that 90% of anything you've read is unworthy of posting please accept the fact that, for the guy that has never received a second glance from ladies suddenly getting smiles, hair flips, or any sort of reaction above being snubbed is a huge event. Just because another guy uses the same product and women are throwing their soaked panties at him in no way denigrates the original guy's experience.


So which is post-worthy and which is not? By your standards only the numbers count. Neglecting any data, no matter how boring it might be for you to personally read and sift through, is the cardinal sin of science.

Likewise, pheromones react on, and work for, each individual person differently...its like they're individuals or something. What works for me might not work similar to how it will for you, or work better, or not at all. Expecting that a synthetic mimic of a natural body excretion would result in the exact observable effects in the exact same quantities is as obtuse (in my opinion) as expecting each and every rose bloom to have the exact same size and petal configuration. Personality, body chemistry, the environment, the culture, and the situation all play their parts.

By its very nature, all of human interaction is subjective; for example am I being polite and respectful (my actual intent) or am I being an asshole to you? That is open to your interpretation. Pheromones have a root causal effect on human interactions which pretty much precludes them from the pure sterilized scientific minimum or maximum thresholds you lobbied for.

It is because pheromones act and react differently on all of us (as well as we are all different and have differing starting points and goals) that we absolutely need each and every person's account, be it insignificant to momentus; be it spartan or florid; be it grounded in scientific evaluation or just the user's hunches.

True, it is most daunting; especially for the newbie; to trudge through the 212,000 plus posts made by the 5200 plus members and decide what is personally pertinent and what is not; but trudging through all the data is exactly how one comes to a conclusion. The fact that some reports, over the past decade, conflict only proves that things are different for everyone.

The best one can do is to catalog their experiences as objectively as they possibly can, in whatever fashion they can muster, and let the general consensus find the median effects. This forums is open to all to share their experiences.

That being said, big hugs back.

It's incredibly inefficient to trudge through dozens of pages to find the useful review, that was why the OP was calling for stricter criteria, or perhaps a section where such criteria is enforced to help with the forum format that was never designed for reviewing. It is true that different people produce different chemicals, but the amount of pheromones applied externally is far greater than those produced naturally, while there is variation between person to person, there should at least be something of a gradient on a graph about the effect of the said product.

And you appear to me tactful, don't see any issue with your post.




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RE: Signed up cause too much conflicting information
05-04-2019 7:28 PM

Signed up cause too much conflicting information +1

and some might just be paid advertisement

i like polls like this :
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05-05-2019 1:25 AM

(03-30-2019 2:53 AM)hoxha Wrote:  There are far too many variables for it to be scientific,

For sure.



(03-30-2019 2:53 AM)hoxha Wrote:  but a bit of a baseline in reviewing would help identifying hwat's useful and hwat's not.

My baseline is the members who have reviewed many different products. That way you get an idea of the differences between products and that is helpful in determining what to try. Knowing the differences between products is a lot more useful than the meaningless "does it work" because different products have different effects. If a product doesn't have the effect you are looking for then you may say, "it doesn't work" even if it's absolutely doing something.
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