True bud, just too many opinions and reasons for this and for that, that in a way maybe it's just better (for me at least) to just leave it at that and not question anybodies believes on the subject because as you mentioned Phya, there's always going to be plenty of views. :/

(01-22-2010 6:11 AM)Phya Wrote:  

(01-22-2010 5:15 AM)mikotorocks714 Wrote:  

Mark, if it's possible and without revealing too much information or putting yourself in trouble could you tell us of more Androtics "secrets" that you may know of if possible? Like formulas, what the hell happened with AMMO going commercial, and what have you? I mean, I'm just very curious... I remember reading a post somewhere that a lot of veteran users were testing something that had to do with AMMO I just don't remember what. I think it having something to do with the commercial release to the general public, but honestly I don't remember exactly what that post stated.

I do tend to think that Androtics has heart though, I remember having a conversation with Michael Storer and he mentioned how overwhelmed he was with Jasmin's generosity of her even having him meet this world famous guy who's famous for chemistry in perfumery. Getting him a set of hypnotism sessions with some guy he said she claims is a wizard. He even said that it's scary because he's usually very suspicious about such enthusiasm and generosity. So who knows? Just sucks that he ditched the copulins project.

He mentioned that he was scouted by Jasmin and that he didn't even know how, but did mention that she seemed quite brilliant and also an unusual personality type. Here's a quote from him:

"She seems to be quite brilliant and also an unusual personality type. The first time I had a meeting with her, she pulled out her checkbook, wrote me a check for a thousand dollars and said, "We want you on our team." It was just that quick and not like something I myself would ever do. She has continued to be as generous with me and seems to be genuinely involved in all sorts of projects to improve the world. There is some guru-like figure behind all of this (I suspect)... a boyfriend or husband whose voice I've sometimes heard in the background, but who remains a mystery. Androtics seems to have plenty of money to throw around and has a huge following. Jasmin told me they can barely keep up with their order demands and are continually growing. The copulin project was laid in my lap because according to her, female clients are driving her absolutely nuts for it. So I am on a retainer of sorts, although I have no contract of any kind with them. It's all very odd to my thinking, but I'm there for the ride as long as it lasts. She has also been totally patient with me while I work on the scent and hasn't pressured me at all. I finally called her two days ago in Oregon and told her I will be sending her several exemplars and will continue to make others. She says she has other projects for me down the road."

So it seems that Androtics has heart, and maybe they may just be misunderstood (minus the bad parts that is like monitoring PM's and other stuff.)

Yes, as always there is a good chance that there is our view, their view, and the truth.

I could add a lot here but I think Phya said it perfectly in post #156. Thank you for that Phya.


I will say this in defense of the pricing argument and I have said it about every company. Expense is directly related to how well a product works for you. Many of the product Love Scent sells dont work well for me so they are more expensive in my eyes. Some of androtics products dont work for me and those are expensive in my eyes. The ones that do work are worth the price.

I think many members misunderstood what was said over there about them selling at a loss. Only products sold to reporting members are at a loss. They make a hefty profit on the rest of them. Some may be more then what is sold over at Love Scent. Love Scent is just a reseller. Androtics has to pay lab technicians. Another benefit with androtics is you can get most anything for a low cost to try out and see if you like it before spending the money on the more expensive bottle.You cant do that at Love Scent so when you get something that dosent work you have to return it or your out the money you spent and its a inconvenience either way.

Quote:I do tend to think that Androtics has heart though, I remember having a conversation with Michael Storer and he mentioned how overwhelmed he was with Jasmin's generosity of her even having him meet this world famous guy who's famous for chemistry in perfumery. Getting him a set of hypnotism sessions with some guy he said she claims is a wizard. He even said that it's scary because he's usually very suspicious about such enthusiasm and generosity. So who knows? Just sucks that he ditched the copulins project.

Have you talked to him lately LOL You have to remember Jasmin is a NLP expert. She is brilliant in many ways. He didnt just disappear my friend. He got some of what the rest of us got and high tailed it out of there.


Tisha

Ok, I have a few more things to add here, firstly, I'd like to withdraw what I said about Steve-O. Having seen a few more of his posts and his attitude, I genuinely believe he is a decent bloke. That said, he has a huge amount of power on the boards as a mix maker and that in itself will be enough to cause a rush for the shelves. That said, I don't think he does it purposely.

Phya, pretty much hit the nail on the head regarding as to why I also find it hard to believe AD sell MX's at a loss (continuously).

Whilst I agree with the general sentiment that androtics don't owe us a damn thing in terms of asking for formulas etc. What I do have a problem with is the fact that they mess around with the commercial formulas without telling us. In my view that is completely wrong and is on the slippery slope towards selling snake oil when stocks of real molecules run low (I have an example, which I'll detail later on). In the case of A314, so many alterations have been made. My first bottle of the stuff worked amazingly, the second bottle stank, was far less viscous and noticibly less effective. Now, when I pay for goods I expect them to do they say they do, not whatever minor tweaks they've thrown into the latest batch to satisfy their curiosity. Especially since it's a consumer product, I'm not being a guinea pig for their "˜research'. If you bought a ready to roll computer package one week from a retailer and then the following week went to the same package again, only to find they've changed the spec without telling you, you'd be pretty damn annoyed. In my mind the same principles apply here. I'm buying A314, not a test product.

A long time back I purchased some Mx's and two bottles of Instant Jerk, they didn't bother sending the two bottles of IJ the first time round and didn't even acknowledge the fault. I had to chase them for it, the second bottle was for my younger brother, he's a bit blasé when it comes to mones. He'd spray 3 or 4 sprays at a time whilst in uni just to annoy me. Funnily enough he didn't OD...draw what conclusions you like but either AD has massive quality control issues or they just sent me two bottles of low none content neroli colognes, we both got minor hits from it. Hence, until they get their head straight, I refuse to make another purchase.

The variations in MX292 is astounding to say the least. Given the initial positive feedback, why do they continue to sell batch 614 (I can't lie, I've had decent results with it) I think everyone will agree the whole point of their "˜R&D' is to pinpoint the versions that work, hence they were pretty close to perfection from the start, why continue to sell a new formula instead?!? Of course that is their prerogative, I won't be buying anymore unless the original formula is re-released. As Mark has said, they don't ask for batch numbers so I can't really say their "˜scientific' approach has me dazzled.

And don't get me started about Pheroproof...

(01-22-2010 8:47 AM)Tisha Wrote:  Have you talked to him lately LOL You have to remember Jasmin is a NLP expert. She is brilliant in many ways. He didnt just disappear my friend. He got some of what the rest of us got and high tailed it out of there. Tisha

No Tish, not at all LOL. I must add that this conversation took place way back when he started with the copulin process. And that's what I want to know, why he left. He just disappeared! Supposedly according to Mr. Harris it was because of his health and him getting threatening PM's from someone on PT regarding copulins? I would actually like to hear all views because I honestly think Michael Storer could've brought a lot of cool stuff to Androtics scent wise but I'm sure there's more to it that I'm definitely unaware of. 

On a side note, if Jasmin is that great with NLP then damn I want to learn that stuff. I remember she mentioned getting a free computer while wearing MX135 and she mentioned that they just simply directed her to the door without having to pay. Now I wonder if maybe it was really her NLP skill than it actually being MX135? Heck, maybe the NLP made the MX135 hits even more intense?

(01-22-2010 1:08 PM)mikotorocks714 Wrote:  

No Tish, not at all LOL. I must add that this conversation took place way back when he started with the copulin process. And that's what I want to know, why he left. He just disappeared! Supposedly according to Mr. Harris it was because of his health and him getting threatening PM's from someone on PT regarding copulins? I would actually like to hear all views because I honestly think Michael Storer could've brought a lot of cool stuff to Androtics scent wise but I'm sure there's more to it that I'm definitely unaware of. 

On a side note, if Jasmin is that great with NLP then damn I want to learn that stuff. I remember she mentioned getting a free computer while wearing MX135 and she mentioned that they just simply directed her to the door without having to pay. Now I wonder if maybe it was really her NLP skill than it actually being MX135? Heck, maybe the NLP made the MX135 hits even more intense?

I do have some information about this from Michael but I won't post private conversations on this forum.  I suggest if you want to know what happened, especially considering you have had conversations regarding this in the past, that you contact him directly about it.

Diane

You're right Diane, reason why I had started talking to him is because I had an interest in making scents so I was seeking his advice then Androtics came up. However, maybe it'd be better if I not ask him about it or whatnot. Don't know if he would even want to talk about it, or care to explain for personal reasons so I'll just leave it in the dark. Probably much safer to do so I'm guessing as it in fact could be for personal reasons.

(01-22-2010 1:27 PM)Diane999 Wrote:  

 

I do have some information about this from Michael but I won't post private conversations on this forum.  I suggest if you want to know what happened, especially considering you have had conversations regarding this in the past, that you contact him directly about it.

Diane

I guess my point is, without going to the source it will always be "he said... she said."

And like Tisha pointed out there are reasons he is not associated with AD. But to speculate about it just spins fantasies and it is not productive.

Diane

(01-22-2010 1:56 PM)Diane999 Wrote:  But to speculate about it just spins fantasies and it is not productive. Diane

Definitely true. No sense in continuing that vicious cycle, so I'll just toss speculation aside instead.

My most productive moments are when I fantasize. It's inspiring and is when I have the most profound leaps of faith. Fantasy has nothing to do with speculation or gossip.

I have fantasies, but er, they're kind of naughty.