(10-28-2011 9:36 AM)Ultimate Wrote:  Where are the doubters now? Must be have ran off to consult the 'scientists' at pherotalk.

I'm a doubter and mark's attachment cannot be opened through my iPhone, so when I get to read it and it proves me wrong, I will flat out say it. I have done that before and not scared to do it again. However, if it doesn't, I'm so going to rub it in, it won't be funny anymore.No, don't get me wrong I won't rub in your condition at all(maybe it is true that you do have it)
but I better see in those medical papers that pheromones entered your blood stream through inhaling them. Isn't that the whole reason of this thread? Or is it the following

Those are quotes from you at pherotalk

"I think there's no doubt pheromones used in normal amounts can be classed as dangerous. Instant Jerk, TAK and Instant Honesty definately make driving significantly more dangerous. There's no research into heavy prolongued dosages of pheromones and their potentially major long term side effects. The medical community dont even think they work and the makers have no reason to do such research."

Or how about this one?

"I didnt day IJ 'made me' steal something, I said IO inhibited me thinking about consequences of actions, just enough for me do something out of charactor. That would be a negative side effect particular to me. It doesnt mean it's not true, everyone is different. IJ is SUPPOSED to make you more aggressive and confident. In the confines of an enclosed space (a car) the pheromone inhalation would be applified. All I can say is I used to love IJ for it's designed effects, but those designed effects made me a more dangerous driver. TAK is SUPPOSED to make you feel tired. It's foolish to say driving with a substance on making you articially tired is anything but dangerous. The IH side effect of slowing down my thinking ability was rare, but a few people said they experienced a similar thing (after I said it) and a few more posters offered reasons as to why. The arguement that we naturally have pheromones so they are safe is flawed. We naturally have testosterone and growth hormone but when we are given unnatural amounts of these then bad things can happen, just as when we inhale highly unnatural amounts of artificial pheromones it may cause side effects. You cannot be playing with nature and expect only good things to happen."

How about one more for kicks?

"Taking any synthetic copy of a natural substance your body doesnt actual need is abuse. Do you NEED artificial pheromones, or are you using them with blind hope you dont get side effects. "

So tell me, what are really argueing about Here?

(10-28-2011 10:01 AM)SeriousSmile Wrote:  I'm a doubter and mark's attachment cannot be opened through my iPhone, so when I get to read it and it proves me wrong, I will flat out say it. I have done that before and not scared to do it again. However, if it doesn't, I'm so going to rub it in, it won't be funny anymore.No, don't get me wrong I won't rub in your condition at all(maybe it is true that you do have it)
but I better see in those medical papers that pheromones entered your blood stream through inhaling them. Isn't that the whole reason of this thread? Or is it the following

Those are quotes from you at pherotalk

"I think there's no doubt pheromones used in normal amounts can be classed as dangerous. Instant Jerk, TAK and Instant Honesty definately make driving significantly more dangerous. There's no research into heavy prolongued dosages of pheromones and their potentially major long term side effects. The medical community dont even think they work and the makers have no reason to do such research."

Or how about this one?

"I didnt day Instant Jerk 'made me' steal something, I said Instant Openness inhibited me thinking about consequences of actions, just enough for me do something out of charactor. That would be a negative side effect particular to me. It doesnt mean it's not true, everyone is different. Instant Jerk is SUPPOSED to make you more aggressive and confident. In the confines of an enclosed space (a car) the pheromone inhalation would be applified. All I can say is I used to love Instant Jerk for it's designed effects, but those designed effects made me a more dangerous driver. TAK is SUPPOSED to make you feel tired. It's foolish to say driving with a substance on making you articially tired is anything but dangerous. The Instant Honesty side effect of slowing down my thinking ability was rare, but a few people said they experienced a similar thing (after I said it) and a few more posters offered reasons as to why. The arguement that we naturally have pheromones so they are safe is flawed. We naturally have testosterone and growth hormone but when we are given unnatural amounts of these then bad things can happen, just as when we inhale highly unnatural amounts of artificial pheromones it may cause side effects. You cannot be playing with nature and expect only good things to happen."

How about one more for kicks?

"Taking any synthetic copy of a natural substance your body doesnt actual need is abuse. Do you NEED artificial pheromones, or are you using them with blind hope you dont get side effects. "

So tell me, what are really argueing about Here?

There is no arguement you silly boy. This is pheroTRUTH not pheroTALK. We deal in facts here. Go play with the pseudo scientists on the company promotion forum

Im still a doubter, and unless your doctor can prove that that androstanone is what u took in through inhaling mones, I wont believe it.

However, I wish you all the best in the quest of regaining your health to enjoy life to its fullest. May god bless you.

I think I should join the class action lawsuit against AD also. I remember once spraying 4 sprays of Instant Jerk and for the whole day I had to walk around with the worst set of blue balls I have ever had since watching a 5 hour marathon of porn with my battle buddies in Afghanistan.

I don't think people doubt that you are suffering Ultimate. They just doubt that your pheromone usage is the cause of it. Basically they doubt the findings/conclusions of your doctor.


However, as you are the messenger you are taking the bullets. It doesn't really matter what we think though. It only matters that you get better.


Live long and prosper.

^^^^^^

Wise words from a wise brother =)

(10-28-2011 10:19 AM)as33156 Wrote:  I don't think people doubt that you are suffering Ultimate. They just doubt that your pheromone usage is the cause of it. Basically they doubt the findings/conclusions of your doctor.


However, as you are the messenger you are taking the bullets. It doesn't really matter what we think though. It only matters that you get better.


Live long and prosper.

Do these people even know what DNA adducts are and what epigenetics means? It's laughable how unknowledgable people can doubt a top expert in the field and try to deny blood results proving a pheromone chemical has attached itself to my DNA. I really fail to see the opposing viewpoint other than choosing ignorance over scientifically proven facts

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(10-28-2011 10:34 AM)Alpha Dream Wrote:  What he is claiming is actually possible (theoretically), but unlikely for several reasons. Sometimes however fact is stranger than fiction.


The only steroids known to interact (by intercalation) with DNA are heavily unsaturated compounds, I.e. polycyclic aromatics, which intercalate DNA via forming an epoxide.

The only way a steroid could theoretically adduct DNA, is if you were exposed to an androstane which had a 17-bromo, chloro, fluoro, or cyano group. I'm pretty sure not even jasmine would be stupid enough to use one of these compounds in a pheromone formula. These classes of compounds are REAGENTS and reactive, and are only used as intermediates for synthesizing other compounds.

Do you have any literature you can provide to support this? A doctors note, for instance? Any lab result showing evidence of the adduct you have described? Anything at all?

Mark just posted ...

(10-28-2011 10:09 AM)Ultimate Wrote:  There is no arguement you silly boy. This is pheroTRUTH not pheroTALK. We deal in facts here. Go play with the pseudo scientists on the company promotion forum

You just said it yourself. This is Pherotruth, in which it means truths about pheromones. You came in here claiming the fact that you have developed a medical condition by inhaling pheromones and the only thing you have proven is you have this condition. Reading your Qoutes above and your medical report, I think I just wasted my time that I will never, ever get back. You came here gun blazing without bullets. Maybe next time

But I do wish you a fast recovery. Also, try to not come near pheromones, or is that really an option?

I'm done with this thread