(10-28-2011 9:45 PM)Alpha Dream Wrote:  The more I read into this, the less sense all of this makes. You are debilitated by multiple chemical sensitivity? This is a minor condition. I've never heard of a life ruined by multiple chemical sensitivity. Nor have I heard of multiple chemical sensitivity caused by DNA damage..

I've worked around several thousands of grams of pure pheromone chemicals over the past 9 years. I've been exposed to more pheromones than probably anyone else on the planet. I've breathed the fine particles in the air, I've absorbed a great deal of the pure chemical particles through my skin I am sure, I've ingested pheromones accidentally on a few occasions.

And my health is just fine. You were probably exposed to a billionth of the dose I have been exposed to, which begs the question, why am I not sick? For the hell of it, Ill get some bloodwork to test for DNA mutations, and report back. Seeing how I've been exposed to a good billion times the dose he has, it will be a good indication of whether (or more likely not) there is any connection.

I was sympathetic at first, but something really doesn't add up here. I think this guy is just trying to make headlines. Unless his doctors have something to add, some kind of real proof, I don't see much point beating a dead horse. Im not going to post on this anymore (unless my DNA is wildly mutated)..

I wish this tread would go into the archives - whenever someone posts a response here, it bumps this thread to the top of the list. And anyone new to pheromones, coming to this forum to look around, are going to see this at the top of the recent posts, and get the shit scared out of them completely unnecessarily.

I've never heard of someone becoming sick from using pheromones! Headache is the worst side effect I've heard of. Unless androtics put some very biochemically harsh reagents in his formula, there is no connection, and no explanation.

The specialist said you have be genetically predisposed to having a problem first of all. Some people smoke all their lives and dont get cancer. I think maybe the fact the spillage was in my bedroom and I was constantly breathing it in my sleep (when your body is supposed be recovering) is significant. I didnt mention that was also using TAK nearly every night as a sleep aid, which eventually caused me circulation problems (excessive pins and needles) and also seemed to be effecting my heart beat in a very subtle way.

To sum up, you should be thankful nothing is wrong with you. I stated on pherotalk that my condition was pheromone related, and I got discredited for having no proof. I searched for a specialist I cant afford, and got blood tests I cant afford, and proved without a doubt I have a pheromone ingredient causing my condition, and I still get discredited. Chemical sensitivity is such a broad, non specific condition. Maybe you can say I havent got it, but I can tell you SOMETHING IS VERY WRONG WITH ME and it's been scientifically proven that andranone in attached to my DNA has triggered the effects I get.

(10-28-2011 10:34 PM)Ultimate Wrote:  ...proved without a doubt I have a pheromone ingredient causing my condition...

No, you haven't. You've proved you have an endogenous steroid latched onto your DNA, which is either causing your condition or is a symptom of your condition. The chemical named in your medical report is not a pheromone ingredient.

17beta-hydroxy-androstanone is not 5α-androstan-3-one.

(10-28-2011 10:39 PM)dbot Wrote:  No, you haven't. You've proved you have an endogenous steroid latched onto your DNA, which is either causing your condition or is a symptom of your condition. The chemical named in your medical report is not a pheromone ingredient.

17beta-hydroxy-androstanone is not 5α-androstan-3-one.

Read my tests, it says andranone triggered my reactions. I said all along pheromones caused my condition and now I prove I have andranone in my blood. I dont know how you can say it isnt in pheromones when androtics keep their ingredients secret. I couldnt have come into contact with andranone in any other way but pheromones. If you think otherwise, please tell me how...

17-beta-hydroxy-androstan-4-one seems to be a steroid used for bodybuilding purpose.

(10-28-2011 10:54 PM)ohhmygod Wrote:  17-beta-hydroxy-androstan-4-one seems to be a steroid used for bodybuilding purpose.

Yet I've never used a steroid (except in pheromones) in my life. I did however develop a severe reaction directly related to spiling instant jerk in my bedroom. Interestingly enough, myself (not anymore) and others actually use IJ as a weight training aid for aggression. I find it very very interesting that an illegal anobolic steroid has caused my condition and androtics like to keep their ingredients secret. Now we know why!!!

Quote:SOMETHING IS VERY WRONG WITH ME and it's been scientifically proven that andranone in attached to my DNA has triggered the effects I get

I feel for you that you are sick, but I very seriously doubt that pheromones caused your problem. According to the lab results, a total of 0.00000018% of your DNA is affected by this mutation, of unknown cause. Given that fact alone, I seriously doubt even the DNA adduct is causing any problems.

Make a list of all your symptoms and PM me, and I'll help you identify possible causes.

With everything I know of biochemistry, I am 99% sure that pheromones did not cause you DNA damage, and am certain that the very minor amount of DNA damage you have of unknown etymology is not causing your condition. there is very likely some other cause which requires investigation. I'm not an M.D., but can help you identify some possibilities.

When I had chronic lymes, I believed I was sick from the mercury fillings in my teeth as the symptoms closely matched. Having all the fillings removed in place of porcelain had zero effect.

And yes, to be clear, 17beta-hydroxy-androstanone is not a pheromone. It's closely related to an anabolic steroid. AndrostAnone is not metabolized to 17-hydroxy-androstAnone once in the blood. It is metabolized to 3-hydroxy-androstAnone by the liver, and then to delta-3-androstene which is excreted by the kidneys.

(10-28-2011 10:50 PM)Ultimate Wrote:  Read my tests, it says andranone triggered my reactions. I said all along pheromones caused my condition and now I prove I have andranone in my blood. I dont know how you can say it isnt in pheromones when androtics keep their ingredients secret. I couldnt have come into contact with andranone in any other way but pheromones. If you think otherwise, please tell me how...

The molecule found in your test is 17beta-hydroxy-androstanone. Just because it shares the nickname "androstanone" does not mean it is the same molecule or has the same properties as 5α-androstan-3-one, which is the molecule you'll hear referred to as the pheromone androstanone. In fact, these molecules are different and have very different properties.

17beta-hydroxy-androstanone could not have been sold to you by androtics, because it is a controlled substance that they would not be able to obtain without a medical or scientific research permit, which they do not have. Therefore, there is no way they could have the chemical in order to put it in their unlabeled products and sell it to you.

Therefore, the chemical named on your medical test is not a pheromone ingredient.

I love how you guys are telling me something that I said happened all along and that I've proved to be so cannot actually happen. I cant be bothered to re-tell my story on first developing problems, it's 100% related to pheromones. I've never taken stedoids, I used lots of pheromones, I have a severe side effect directly related to IJ over-exposure. All my symptoms fit with chemical sensitivity. One of the top chemical sensitivity specialists in the country said I have it, yet you still wont accept it. Andranone is clearly an undisclosed ingredient in IJ.

I sure can't argue with that kind of logic.

OK, Ultimate I initially flet bad for you, but I know dbot well enough to know that he would not of posted what he did if he weren't 100% sure, but you still refuse to accept it. And, you last sentence in the post above seems like a real grab in the dark.

I tried to post 2 threads before this one, again jumping on everyone for the head bashing and discredit attempts, but with everone posting while I was typing both got lost in the jumble, and I'm, not going to take the time to retype everyhing again.

The gist was that the bickering stops now. And, if it does not I will lock the thread.