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03-25-2010 7:56 AM

Quote:That's something that I have a problem with, in that if I choose to work my ass off to generate a good income, I am forced to help pay the bills of someone less fortunate.

Proportionate taxing my friend. Again if you are born into low income/poverty you are most likely to live and die in low income/poverty. Do you think you work any harder than someone on a lower wage?? Only because society has put a "assumed value" on your labour or services. AKA bank directors, hell even my own directors for the company I work for. (not a bank BTW) have a vastly disproportionate income/bonuses to those at the other end of the spectrum with a less/lower status/privileged job.

What do you do for a living??

Quote:Why should I have to help pay for healthcare for someone who is lazy and not willing to put any effort into education, employment, or bettering themself?

Well if your wealthy in America the world is your oyster, you can go to a good school private education if you wish and a good college.
However what happens if your poor and you live in a area where such stratification between the rich and the poor is prevalent. You will most likely go to a bad school, college fees become impossible to pay, many turn to crime or seek low paid menial jobs. Usually working long hours just to get buy.

In a country where 20% of the American population controls 85% of the money, how can it be possible for the other 80% of the population to be lazy.

What about those who are unable to work. shall we bring in ugenics???

Quote:Minorities found that they could live better on welfare and by having baby after baby, than they could by getting jobs and actually working.

Wealfare and healthcare are 2 different things. Welfare is designed for those unemployed to enable them to survive.
Health care is fundamentally different.

Has obama mixed the two together?? In which case that is rather silly IMO. i have not read the bill and dont want to if its 2000+ pages long

I live in the UK and the national health service is the best dam thing weve got.
If it wasn't for the NHS I wouldn't have a mother, as she is to ill to work she gets a some benefits and works part time. I wont go into detail but some of the treatment she received was £3000 a pill and it was all free.

Everyone pays a % tax and you all receive the same healthcare no discrimination.

From what it sounds like this is not free health service for all, it is a mandatory forcing of money to insurance companies.


Just think that if you want nationwide healthcare it has to be a proportionate tax based system. Rather than an insurance based one.
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03-25-2010 11:52 AM

(03-25-2010 7:56 AM)luksti Wrote:  Just think that if you want nationwide healthcare it has to be a proportionate tax based system. Rather than an insurance based one.

[sarcasm]We can't do that, it would be socialism and some lazy bum would get taken care of with my taxes!![/sarcasm]Eek

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Guess the Tea Baggers are really pissed off. Death threats abound!!Eek

And it's not just the Democrats and the "left wing media" THIS from "Fox News".

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03-26-2010 6:31 AM

(03-25-2010 11:59 AM)Mtnjim Wrote:  Guess the Tea Baggers are really pissed off. Death threats abound!!Eek

And it's not just the Democrats and the "left wing media" THIS from "Fox News".

Yeah, because as evidenced by WTO protests and just about any Republican National Convention protest in the last... well, since the mid to late 60's, left leaning activists are paragons of civility and public virtue.

Careful with that wide brush, there. People are pissed off, and some pissed off people do stupid things. Except for the person firing bullets into the office of the Virginia Republican, Eric Cantor. No, no, that's justified in some twisted, rationalized way. Oh, and of course, the rocks thrown at the 30th storey office window of Ohio Democrat, Steve Driehaus not only prove the despicable evil of those filthy, stinkin', rotten, good-for-nothing Tea Baggers, it also proves their superhuman strength! Save us, Mr. President!
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(03-26-2010 6:31 AM)Data4 Wrote:  Oh, and of course, the rocks thrown at the 30th storey office window of Ohio Democrat, Steve Driehaus not only prove the despicable evil of those filthy, stinkin', rotten, good-for-nothing Tea Baggers, it also proves their superhuman strength! Save us, Mr. President!

Yup, obvious proof they're spawn of the devil!!:good3:

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