ok, i will share my technique with l2k since it's heavy sexual product based on my experience, don't judge me if my tips doesn't work for you guys. when i use sexual product, basically i have to seduce my FWB and make her comfortable with me while wearing l2k, let the l2k scent imprint her brain for about 3-4 times, after 3-4 i repeated this technique, i don't need work hard to make her turn on, simple as that

(04-16-2015 8:20 PM)TNHusband Wrote:  I am certainly no expert, but stick with what seems to work and figure out the right dose and/or combo. My wife didn't react to Evolve at all, but I am going to try again. Maybe just wrong day or something.

The LIIK is v1. We'll see.

I think Evolve really only worked because she was in the right mood for it. But she did say "You smell really good" in a rather enthusiastic way so it's going to be hard for me to NOT want to keep using it and try other things. Also, you know, different women like different things obviously. That's the hard part here.
I too am going to focus on LIIK for a while and see where it leads.

T-Rex is a believer. So maybe I'll try to have patience and try his advice here.
It's supposed to be good stuff it's hard to believe it won't help at all.

Last night she was talking about some pain or soreness down there from our last time so it's going to be another day or two before I'm getting any. For me it might be a good opportunity to try a more bonding mone.

Good luck.

(04-17-2015 2:05 PM)WhiteNoise309 Wrote:  I think Evolve really only worked because she was in the right mood for it. But she did say "You smell really good" in a rather enthusiastic way so it's going to be hard for me to NOT want to keep using it and try other things. Also, you know, different women like different things obviously. That's the hard part here.
I too am going to focus on LIIK for a while and see where it leads.

T-Rex is a believer. So maybe I'll try to have patience and try his advice here.
It's supposed to be good stuff it's hard to believe it won't help at all.

Last night she was talking about some pain or soreness down there from our last time so it's going to be another day or two before I'm getting any. For me it might be a good opportunity to try a more bonding mone.

Good luck.

Good luck! I know how frustrating it can be to have a wife that isn't reacting to you often. Sounds like you are making progress, though.

Not sure about you, but using Pheromones has at least put some excitement into the situation. Just thinking about it, looking for the reaction, etc. seems to help. Only downside I've noticed is that I am more amped up than usual. Not sure if its self-effects of the Pheromones or just me thinking about it more often than usual.

After a good bit of testing, I am not getting much reaction from anyone. I say that with the caveat that I may not have people in my phero cloud very long at any one time. But here's what I've tried (generally for 2 to 3 days at a time, with a day or 2 break before changing to the next):

LIIK v1. - 2 to 3 sprays
Turn Up The Heat - 2 to 3 sprays
GOA alone - 3 to 4 drops on wrists and spread onto neck
GOA + THU - Same GOA + 2 sprays of THU on top of chest
Evolve + Xist - 2 to 3 sprays each

I haven't seen any real effect at all. My young daughter can smell it, but on real change in attitude from anyone I encounter. Wife seems totally unaffected. Do I need to try higher doses?

You need to try lower doses. Start at 1 drop or spray, and test each one for a week. Given that you keep changing your uber pheromonal signature every 2-3 days, it's not surprising that your wife's mind is dismissing it as chatter.

Give a week's rest from mones to reset things, then re-commence testing. Do not run combos until you've discovered the sweetspot for each mone product you have.

Also behave congruently with the mone signature you're wearing:
LIIK - suave, charming, romantic
Turn Up The Heat - ravage her in bed
GOA - snuggle, cuddle and gently nibble her earlobe, neck, etc.
THU - you're James Bond

I have no experience with Evolve and Xist, others can chime in on these.

Married Man Sex Life Primer is a good book for getting more from your relationship. Worked wonders in my last one.

Welcome...I'm late, but lets just say I know what you are looking for.

I didn't read the entire thread and I know that this is about mones, but has she ever had her hormone levels tested? Thyroid?

An other idea to try might be reading...Well before mones I had a girlfriend that described herself as asexual.

I asked her to read some erotica and try some role playing...That worked really well.
When she was herself, she wasn't very sexual...when she acted like someone else, it was a much better response.

Just a thought...

Just to answer the last couple of posts.

1. I did try lower doses early on. Maybe not long enough, not sure. But I did try one spray of single products for the first month or so, particularly Xist, Evolve, and Turn Up The Heat. I then moved to Xist + Evolve (one spray each).

2. Been reading Married Man Sex Life Primer. Trying to ease into some of those changes, but I have been doing some of that stuff the entire time we've been married. Hoping a couple of additions will help, though.

3. Yes, her hormones could be an issue. She is on thyroid meds (has been for years and it runs in her family). She got off birth control about 2 years ago and the change has been noticeable.

Mones were/are an attempt to push her just a bit further than she is now. Not looking for a huge change. Things aren't that bad, but I would just like a little spark from her every now and then. With so many people talking about ONS and definite sexual hits from strangers, I was hoping for the same effect on the wife. Maybe They don't work on a wife the same way they work on strangers?????

I'll put this out there. You may want to consider having her try DHEA. 25mg a day and it's cheap (GNC sells it.)
DHEA is a pre-hormone recreated by the adrenal gland. When we're stressed the adrenal gland releases more cortisol and less DHEA, when we're not stressed it's more DHEA and less cortisol.
DHEA is the pre-hormone to production of testosterone and estrogen.
The common misconception is that we naturally produce less testosterone and DHEA as we get older but some believe that stressful lives actually causes us to lose the ability to produce DHEA as we get older that we'd otherwise be able to produce throughout life.

In any case for older people in their 40s, 25mg of DHEA can restore closer to normal levels. As a result more testosterone in a woman and therefore labito.

The side affects for women can be hair grown, deepening of voice, or anything associated with testosterone therapy. It's not clear to me how common that is or if that's only when doses are too high. It's enough to me me reluctant to convince my wife to take it until she really needs it, possibly after menopause and after having DHEA levels tested. (I don't think it's necessary, yet.) Also testosterone can cause women to have more sever cramps during menstruation. That's something I learned about with high protein / low-carb diets.

I wish I could find it but I read one thing that cited a specific study that married women who took DHEA supplements reported better sexual satisfaction and higher sex drive.
Just search google for DHEA and it's affects on women's sex drive or sexual satisfaction.
Here are two to get started:
https://www.life-enhancement.com/magazin...en-in-love
https://www.thebetterhealthstore.com/new...30801.html

I don't know if that's going to help solve sexual interest with your wife. But knowing what I do, she has health problems that that seem to affect this and trying a DHEA for about a week could be a worthwhile thing. Of course you'd have to convince her to take it.
The best thing to do is have DHEA levels tested to know exactly where she is, eventually.

Of course I say all of this and I know what you're going to say. That she's had all of her hormone levels tested and that you already tried this. Anytime I have a suggestion it turns out you've already tried it.


As for pheromones. I've been testing for about a month and they haven't much for me on their own. The only time it seems to help is when I wear a sexual one when we're getting intimate and having sex. It seems like the sexual mones heighten the excitement for her and she becomes a little more sexually aggressive, more primal, or more sexually intense AFTER I get her going.

T-Rex explained that he wore LIIK while seducing his girlfriend, then after a few times he could just wear LIIK to turn her on.
This is now what I'm trying to do. I have LIIK, Evolve, and New Pheromone Additive and I'll consistently try each of those to see which one works best.
I figure that if I smell a certain way when she's having her best time, then she may start to associate that smell with her own desire.

(05-18-2015 3:56 PM)WhiteNoise309 Wrote:  I'll put this out there. You may want to consider having her try DHEA. 25mg a day and it's cheap (GNC sells it.)
DHEA is a pre-hormone recreated by the adrenal gland. When we're stressed the adrenal gland releases more cortisol and less DHEA, when we're not stressed it's more DHEA and less cortisol.
DHEA is the pre-hormone to production of testosterone and estrogen.
The common misconception is that we naturally produce less testosterone and DHEA as we get older but some believe that stressful lives actually causes us to lose the ability to produce DHEA as we get older that we'd otherwise be able to produce throughout life.

In any case for older people in their 40s, 25mg of DHEA can restore closer to normal levels. As a result more testosterone in a woman and therefore labito.

The side affects for women can be hair grown, deepening of voice, or anything associated with testosterone therapy. It's not clear to me how common that is or if that's only when doses are too high. It's enough to me me reluctant to convince my wife to take it until she really needs it, possibly after menopause and after having DHEA levels tested. (I don't think it's necessary, yet.) Also testosterone can cause women to have more sever cramps during menstruation. That's something I learned about with high protein / low-carb diets.

I wish I could find it but I read one thing that cited a specific study that married women who took DHEA supplements reported better sexual satisfaction and higher sex drive.
Just search google for DHEA and it's affects on women's sex drive or sexual satisfaction.
Here are two to get started:
https://www.life-enhancement.com/magazin...en-in-love
https://www.thebetterhealthstore.com/new...30801.html

I don't know if that's going to help solve sexual interest with your wife. But knowing what I do, she has health problems that that seem to affect this and trying a DHEA for about a week could be a worthwhile thing. Of course you'd have to convince her to take it.
The best thing to do is have DHEA levels tested to know exactly where she is, eventually.

Of course I say all of this and I know what you're going to say. That she's had all of her hormone levels tested and that you already tried this. Anytime I have a suggestion it turns out you've already tried it.


As for pheromones. I've been testing for about a month and they haven't much for me on their own. The only time it seems to help is when I wear a sexual one when we're getting intimate and having sex. It seems like the sexual mones heighten the excitement for her and she becomes a little more sexually aggressive, more primal, or more sexually intense AFTER I get her going.

T-Rex explained that he wore LIIK while seducing his girlfriend, then after a few times he could just wear LIIK to turn her on.
This is now what I'm trying to do. I have LIIK, Evolve, and New Pheromone Additive and I'll consistently try each of those to see which one works best.
I figure that if I smell a certain way when she's having her best time, then she may start to associate that smell with her own desire.

This time, you might have something I can try. Just have to get over her reluctance. I know her hormones are somewhat out of whack, but she hasn't been tested in a while. She was going to a clinic that supposedly specialized in that kind of thing (specifically as it related to the thyroid issue), but she didn't see any change and stopped going. I don't think anything has been checked since then.