(04-25-2015 8:34 AM)moe Wrote:  On the subliminal-shop website. Check the link posted above by Alpha360.


Alpha360,
Shannon says the subs work "differently" but he does not say really how, right? But if I understand the AP correctly, I conclude that the subs did not work for me because I do not feel that I should buy them. :/

What he did it's good because as he says it creates a win-win, provided the subs worked on you. On the other hand, if he does not offer a money-back policy for people who buy his product but do not get any change from them, perhaps it is a better option for them to try the product first and only pay at the end if it works.

I don't know how elaborate the AP is, but while reading some of his posts, I felt like he was taking a bit advantage of people credulity for them to pay for old versions they used years ago for a couple of days, before they knew about the AP system. He should be more reasonable and only ask them to pay the current products they are using from the point where they became aware of the AP.

M.

We have a very generous refund policy if you use a program and it does not work. There are certain stipulations; for example, you must use it according to the instructions. You must ask for a refund within 180 days after using it according to the instructions.

As to the AP code, piracy is theft. It directly results in less income for those who you pirate from. It doesn't matter when you steal from someone; you should pay them back. If nobody was pirating my subs, would I be making more money? Some people theorize that "piracy is advertising." Sure, we make a little money on that effect, but if we had everyone who pirates our stuff pay for it, I would probably be making 5x what I make each month.

My approach to AP is to try to educate you about the point of view of the IP owner. The reason people think piracy is okay is because it's easy, everyone they know does it, they don't see any damage happening, and it benefits them. So they convince themselves that it's a victimless crime. It's not.

I would rather try to get you to understand why piracy is wrong, than to try to force you to pay for my stuff or to make my subs only work if you pay for them. Piracy is a sad fact of life these days, and the best way I have found to deal with it is to try to educate people and then give them a chance to see why they should pay for it. It's not a perfect approach, but it's better than locking the program to only work if you paid for it, or trying to brainwash you that you must pay for it because you used it. I'm sure you will agree. What I want you to do is do the right thing - either delete pirated copies, or pay for them. Nobody is going to force you to pay for my programs.

(06-10-2018 12:53 PM)Maverick Wrote:  That is nonsense because it would be the user who decided if it worked. Shannon thinks he can make people do something which is against their true will. If someone does not consider torrenting wrong, then any result of torrenting shannon tries to implement will not apply to them. It is their conscience which decides if it is wrong to torrent. There is no way to force someone to not get a result from an effective product because they did not pay unless they feel bad about not paying. And no way to make them feel bad if file sharing is OK in their view. It is scaremongering.

The true will is honesty. That's why the subconscious hates lying so much they made a machine that can detect lies as a result of the discordance response the subconscious gives when you are dishonest. It's called a lie detector. Piracy isn't honesty, it's theft.

You're not understanding what my AP code does. It doesn't rely on your definition of right and wrong, because obviously, if you are prating stuff, your definition of right and wrong is, at best, bent. The fact is when you pirate something instead of buying it, you benefit without an equal exchange of value, and that is otherwise known as theft. It literally and directly takes money out of the content creator's pocket.

So my AP code defines piracy as being what is against the law in your jurisdiction. Your own lawmakers did the hard part for me.
You know piracy is illegal. You know when you are pirating something. You know when you are breaking the law, and piracy is breaking the law.

There is in fact a way to prevent someone from getting results from using a subliminal unless they paid for it. I just choose to not give myself a black eye by letting pirates come to the mistaken conclusion that my programs don't work. That only generates bad publicity. The goal is to make money for me, and get you the benefit of the program. So if you pirate my things, you'll still get the results, but the AP code will encourage you to either pay for it or delete it. It doesn't try to force you.

However, it is actually childsplay to make people feel bad for piracy, torrenting, etc. I just choose not to do that.

Quote:It is like military hypnosis experiments when they asked a hypnotised soldier to shoot an officer. If they fire they gun they know deep down that the army would not create a situation where one of their officers would die. It is a game and the know that deep down

I would hardly call piracy a game.

Quote:Shannon likes to claim he knows everything and more than anyone else and taught himself. When his product does not work he blames the customer for having subconscious resistance. Under those rules i could sell subliminals today. The periods of time he says one should listen like all night is not convenient for a lot of people so if they miss they will blame themselves. His forum is cult like and anyone who disagrees is not welcome. you cannot just join but your application has to be reviewed. no activation like here.

It is my belief that I do hold the most and most advanced knowledge about subliminal influence through audio in the world. Am I right? Maybe. Maybe not. But when I am the lone driving force behind the advancement of the entire subliminal audio industry since about 2003, and I invented most of the technoloy and techniques you now see being adopted by subliminals producers, and when people hand me books about "new discoveries" in psychology that I proved and have been using for 5+ years before the book was published, and when I discovered through 2+ decades of experimentation that the vast majority of the "accepted wisdom" about how to make subliminals is just flat wrong... yes, I have a relatively high opinion of my knowledge and expertise in the field.

Now on when you should listen to subliminals, the Indigo Mind Labs motto is "Safe, effective, useful.". They are designed to be used whenever you like, with some newer programs being exceptions, because either of design (you wouldn't want to play the Awakener while trying to sleep) or common sense safety issues (you wouldn't want to use the Sleep Induction Aid while driving). Otherwise, they're designed almost always to be used whenever it is convenient for you.

As for the forum being a cult, that one had me laughing. It is such a cult that we regularly have to remove unruly types from the forum. You know, the types who are only there because they enjoy making things difficult for us, etc. We have our detractors just like everyone else, and if you follow our forum rules, you're welcome to disagree and dissent and post negative experiences about my programs. Maybe you're mistaking my happy lifetime customers for a cult?

As for application review, we have to prevent spammers from trashing our forum, and we have a lot of them constantly trying. So you'll have to complain to them about that.

Quote:I have not seen many people claim what i would call success. womens look at me or smile at me. People look at people all the time, sometimes scanning a crowd to see if they know anyone. Has anyone had any real success who did not have some succes before? It could be just co incidence if they had success before. I am not impressed by any testimonial on his site or his excuses

I am guessing you're referring to DMSI results? I would say that by your posts here, you enjoy being a "skeptic" and a "dissenter" and complaining more than anything else. We have a few customers like that. Lately, even they are starting to come around, due to the developments in the technology that we have made working to improve DMSI. It goes into the skeleton script and everything else gets to benefit as well.

We have literally hundreds of testimonials taken from our members on the forums over the course of years. If you reject them, then of course they won't impress you. But to fail to be impressed by them, you have to stick your head in the sand and close your mind. Which would largely be why you don't seem to be getting good results... you don't want them. Complaining and being skeptical is more fun for some people. To each their own.

But yes, it's just coincidence that we have thousands of customers in (last I checked) 24 countries around the world, and the lowest refund rate of any company I have ever seen, while charging the highest prices in the industry and offering a quite frankly, ridiculously generous refund policy. That must be it. We stay in business because it's coincidence that someone got good results. Oh, let's not forget the tired old placebo chestnut. They're only getting placebo results too!

Quote:And personally i would not trust anyone who would play around with subliminals to try to prevent piracy and would not purchase their products. I would question the legality of putting such suggestions in a product sold as helping someone. People should only be subjected to suggestions that promote the main effect paid for

This is very revealing. You wouldn't trust someone who would try to stop you from pirating things. Let's look at the illogic going into this... you don't trust me because I don't want to have you steal from me. Mind boggling.

As for AP code, it is perfectly legal. My AP code specifies that if you are committing piracy AS DEFINED BY THE LAWS OF YOUR JURISDICTION, then the program will try to educate you about the point of view of the person you are stealing from by committing piracy. It also encourages you to stop pirating the pirated program, either by deleting it or buying it, your choice. But nowhere do I force you to do anything. I spent 2+ decades developing all this tech so I could retain free will instead of using the "it would have taken me a week or two" negative methods of manipulating you into obeying the script by using guilt, shame and fear instead.

And the jewel in the logic crown here! "People should only be subjected to suggestions that promote the main effect paid for". What we are talking about is your objection to anti-piracy code. Code that I spent a LONG time and a LOT of effort making sure it does not affect or inconvenience my paying customers. They don't care! But you do, and you're claiming it should only do what is paid for. Well it does only do what is paid for. It's when you don't pay for it that the AP code activates and does something!

Sounds to me like you may have a guilty conscience there, buddy.

(06-12-2018 6:56 AM)Maverick Wrote:  When i tried to register it said something like your registration has to be approved. Similar words cannot recall exact. so i sent a query through the contact page and had no reply.

If you had no reply, it's likely that the query did not go through. We reply to everything shy of the people who send us mail about how their dog talks to them (for example).

Quote:My question was could I listen while driving. i found i can. I may try the free confidence one but i have great reservations. shannon seems to says he knows more than anyone else in the world about subliminals. very arrogant. He needs to show proof of that. Where i am you have to have proof of all claims on a site. Where is the site based? USA? whois is hidden.

There is a difference between expertise and confidence in one's skills, and arrogance. The proof is on our website. You just refuse to accept it. The site is in the United States. If our proof isn't good enough, you're welcome to go enjoy someone else's programs. I wonder why this has you so hot and bothered? Nobody is forcing you to use my programs.

Quote:I think the 'results' spoken of by the forum members are sad. someone looked at me. People look at me all the time, sometimes they are just scanning the crowd. It is really sad to see people deceive themselves like that. Blames trhemselves because something does not work

You tend to see about 2% of the people who use our programs posting on our forums. 1% get great results, and post there because they're so impressed. 1% get low results, and post there because they need help figuring out why. The other 98% we don't see on the forum, but a lot of them send us a lot of positive mail. We use the forums to help me do direct customer feedback, and figure out how to improve the programs when people don't get good results.

But again it sounds like you are referring to DMSI. DMSI is an experimental program, and it has been in development for about 3 years now. It's plainly stated that it's experimental and no guarantee that it will do anything at all is given. It gets significantly better with each release. If you bought a copy, we recently released v3.3.2, maybe you should give that a few months of listening time and see what you think?

I don't blame my customers when my programs don't work. I do call people out for doing the sort of thing you're doing here: being more interested in complaining than getting the program's intended results. That type usually does anything and everything in their power to defeat the program, even while it works for other people. We have a list of resistance tactics on our forum in the FAQ section that will tell you more about that. But when your goal is to use a program and make it fail, and then blame me, yes, I am going to take issue with that.

Quote:Have you used any of his products. Did you see any real results? Did you see any real results from phermones. I think they are a scam too. i got some free samples and noticed no difference in the way people related to me

If you think pheromones are a scam, then you're definitely one of the "skeptics" who is more interested in complaining than getting results. You should probably give a variety of pheromonal products a try before you close your mind to them.

(06-21-2018 8:31 PM)Resurrected Wrote:  LMAOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! If he can barely get the effects to work THAT WE WANT TO WORK, then good luck to him getting the AP effects to work that we don't want to work. I've used paid and torrented from him, no difference. His subs work but not even a fraction of how he advertises them to work, that's why you have people like Sarge still a virgin after like 4 years of using multiple 200-500dollar subliminals focused on attracting women, and he paid for all of them. He cna't get Sarge laid, but he can get me to regret torrenting and want to pay him? Ummm WRONG.

We don't stay in business because we cant't get the programs to work. We have the highest prices in the industry, and we have the most generous real refund policy in the industry. We offer free full version programs for you to try out. We have a forum where you get personal assistance from me, and we use negative reports to improve our products. We have hundreds if not thousands of genuine, unsolicited testimonials from customers on our forum. We have thousands of customers in at least 24 countries around the world. How could we stay in business if our products didn't work?

Your logic about Sarge is absurd. Sarge was one of those outliers who was classed as one of the most difficult types to get results for, and there will always be a small group of those. Setting the bar at "you couldn't get results for an extreme edge case, so you can't get results" is ridiculous.

As for the AP code, I'm not trying to get you to regret anything. Or feel guilty, or afraid, or ashamed. I am trying to educate people like you. Show them what happens on the other side of the coin.

I do hope that if you paid for my programs and didn't like the results, that you're not still pirating them. (I notice you guys like to say "torrenting" instead, because it's a nicer way to get around admitting to stealing. But it's still piracy, and piracy is still stealing.)

If my stuff wasn't making you happy, there are other producers you can try. I would suggest you try again when I finish 6th Gen tech, but you're not going to want to pay for it anyway. It won't be cheap - because it works.

(04-28-2019 10:47 AM)SeptemberMan Wrote:  I Tried most of their stuff and all the updated Stuff just didn't work FOR Me. I got the best results From Alpha Male 5 and I got wicked results from Life Tune Up 3. Now he is selling things at astronomical prices 1500.00 for Life tune up 4? that's crazy. who the Fuck can afford that? (oh yeah lets not pay rent this month so i can get LTU5 or what ever because in a year Ill be happier?) yeah Not...

LTU5 was offered at an introductory price of $600 a copy for a week, and we sold a record number of copies. Then the price went up to where it is now and we are still selling it. Because it works. Because it's worth what I charge for it. And I charge that much because it's literally 12 different titles and then some packed into a single program. You can see an unsolicited customer review of it here.

https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-LTU-V5-0-5-5G

Quote:He had his scripts posted at one point. I was like what? no way. This is a joke. I paid 500+ bucks for a script that looks as if a kid wrote it. they were all in the first person too.( like: I am blank blank. )that really didn't impress me.

The scripts were to the 3G programs. Some 4G. And the scripts were not complete. Parts were removed to protect my trade secrets. Eventually we took them down because people like you thought that nothing ever changes and we were still using ancient scripts from 10+ years ago. Current scripts are private because enough people are using my forum to learn how I do what I do and compete with me, which they wouldn't be doing if what I'm doing (and inventing) didn't work.

The programs that cost $500 are 5G multi-stage sets, and the scripts on those have never been published. I have said that countless times on the forum, and the script library said it too. But again... people like you didn't figure that out.

As for them being in first person... yes, they are. That is what works best. If you disagree, use something else. Nobody's forcing you to use my programs.

Quote:and when you think about it logically. there really is only so many ways to put sound embedded in trickling stream. His best work was and is LTU 3. So far.

Because you have obviously tried the rest of my offerings, right? Including the LTU5 that you mocked, and you know this for a fact, right? No, this is an opinion, and a biased one at that.

Quote:I bought stuff way cheaper from Subliminal Club and I finally got laid. In less than a month. like whuuuut? Really? You know how much time I spent listening to DMSI? Id bang that shit into my head for hours. I got one IOI one day in the dead of winter during a snow storm from a Cat. No in all seriousness his stuff does work but the money and the time you have to invest into manifesting somethings just is too long. I recommend Alpha Male 5. Life Tune up 3. And any of the 4 series. Id like to write me experiences on DMSI one day. You know that also you are not allowed to say anything negative in their forums about Shannon. He is their God or he is our god.

It should be apparent that your recommendations don't hold much value, given that they're based on out of date information, biased opinions and a lack of knowledge as to what is available now and how well it works.

And this part....

You know that also you are not allowed to say anything negative in their forums about Shannon. He is their God or he is our god.

...is just asinine. It's basic common sense that if you want a forum to not self destruct, you don't go around starting flame wars, and we have rules that prevent people from saying negative things about anyone for that reason. Ad hominem attacks against me are not going to be an exception just because you don't like me.

It sounds like you have found other sources for your subliminals. I hope you're not pirating theirs too.

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(05-02-2019 12:35 PM)dorfmeister Wrote:  https://www.subliminal-shop.com/product/...ne-up-5-0/

I wonder if anyone actually buys the Life Tune Up Sub at $1,495. Maybe it is great. If it radically upgraded your life, somehow, it would definitely be worth it. I would really feel foolish, though, if I paid that much, listened religously, and not much happened. Too much of a risk at that price.

Yes, they do. We also have a refund policy. You know, standard business practices. We wouldn't charge that for a program if it wasn't going to sell at that price, and it wouldn't sell if it wasn't working.

(06-08-2019 11:45 AM)Maverick Wrote:  anything as good as he claims would not have to be listened to 16 hours per day. What rubbish. he thinks he knows everything and calls himself a scientist. let him list his scientific qualifications

We have this thing called technology generations. It's something I invented. It's where every so often, we use a newly developed technology set. Each generation of technology is more powerful than the last, and each one has different usage requirements. To get results with subs up to 5G, you had to use them a lot. Before I showed up, nobody even knew that you had to use subs more than an hour a day to get results.

Now we have a lot of programs that need 5 hours or less per day of use. I also invented "Instant on" subs, which kick in within about 10 minutes in most cases, and we have them, too. Awakener, sleep aid, that sort of thing.

If I thought I knew everything, why would I still be developing these technologies after 26 years of doing it? Why would I have a public forum where people make reports about when it doesn't work? Why would I be crowdsourcing ideas for what to put in my programs?

I don't call myself a scientist in the way you're thinking. My professional title isn't "scientist". But I am the one who took subliminals from 1970's and 1980's era tech to what I and a very few other producers are building now. I discovered and invetnted almost everything in between, and I did so using my own experiments, research and developments. I used the scientific method to do that. To the best of my ability, and the resources available, I used - and still use - science. And as I gain in wealth, I will be doing even more science: we are planning clinical trials in the future.

So I'm not a scientist in the same way a geologist is, or an astrophysicist. But I use science to achieve my results. And in that sense, I am a practitioner of science - also known as a scientist.

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(06-08-2019 12:38 PM)Maverick Wrote:  you were bound to eventually. had it happeneded during DMSI you would have credited shannon. This is just post hoc reasoning. I could sell water as phermones* and eventually some people would get with a woman through co incidence. then they would credit me. they would succeed enough time to give me a list of happy clients who would then be afraid not to buy from me. Even if i refunded the failures the successes by coincidence would keep me in business

*and maybe I will

You are wrong. People notice when "subliminals" don't work. We did experiments with that - placebo effect, at best, only lasts a week or two. Most people don't even get placebo when you give them a "subliminal recording" that is inert. Only real subliminals get real results. Especially when they're as expensive as mine are.

Does anyone have a torrent to any of these alpha male subs? or is that illegal to post

(12-31-2019 7:09 AM)zanderos Wrote:  Does anyone have a torrent to any of these alpha male subs? or is that illegal to post

You realize you're asking for help stealing Indigo Mind Labs product directly uderneath Indigo Mind Labs owner's post right? Lol

(01-01-2020 5:27 AM)RoadRacer Wrote:  You realize you're asking for help stealing Indigo Mind Labs product directly uderneath Indigo Mind Labs owner's post right? Lol

Im going to try ASC and the emotional healing free one and if they work ill definitely buy the AM6

(10-01-2019 5:06 PM)Shannon Wrote:  The true will is honesty. That's why the subconscious hates lying so much they made a machine that can detect lies as a result of the discordance response the subconscious gives when you are dishonest. It's called a lie detector. Piracy isn't honesty, it's theft.

You're not understanding what my AP code does. It doesn't rely on your definition of right and wrong, because obviously, if you are prating stuff, your definition of right and wrong is, at best, bent. The fact is when you pirate something instead of buying it, you benefit without an equal exchange of value, and that is otherwise known as theft. It literally and directly takes money out of the content creator's pocket.

So my AP code defines piracy as being what is against the law in your jurisdiction. Your own lawmakers did the hard part for me.
You know piracy is illegal. You know when you are pirating something. You know when you are breaking the law, and piracy is breaking the law.

There is in fact a way to prevent someone from getting results from using a subliminal unless they paid for it. I just choose to not give myself a black eye by letting pirates come to the mistaken conclusion that my programs don't work. That only generates bad publicity. The goal is to make money for me, and get you the benefit of the program. So if you pirate my things, you'll still get the results, but the AP code will encourage you to either pay for it or delete it. It doesn't try to force you.

However, it is actually childsplay to make people feel bad for piracy, torrenting, etc. I just choose not to do that.

Quote:It is like military hypnosis experiments when they asked a hypnotised soldier to shoot an officer. If they fire they gun they know deep down that the army would not create a situation where one of their officers would die. It is a game and the know that deep down

I would hardly call piracy a game.

Quote:Shannon likes to claim he knows everything and more than anyone else and taught himself. When his product does not work he blames the customer for having subconscious resistance. Under those rules i could sell subliminals today. The periods of time he says one should listen like all night is not convenient for a lot of people so if they miss they will blame themselves. His forum is cult like and anyone who disagrees is not welcome. you cannot just join but your application has to be reviewed. no activation like here.

It is my belief that I do hold the most and most advanced knowledge about subliminal influence through audio in the world. Am I right? Maybe. Maybe not. But when I am the lone driving force behind the advancement of the entire subliminal audio industry since about 2003, and I invented most of the technoloy and techniques you now see being adopted by subliminals producers, and when people hand me books about "new discoveries" in psychology that I proved and have been using for 5+ years before the book was published, and when I discovered through 2+ decades of experimentation that the vast majority of the "accepted wisdom" about how to make subliminals is just flat wrong... yes, I have a relatively high opinion of my knowledge and expertise in the field.

Now on when you should listen to subliminals, the Indigo Mind Labs motto is "Safe, effective, useful.". They are designed to be used whenever you like, with some newer programs being exceptions, because either of design (you wouldn't want to play the Awakener while trying to sleep) or common sense safety issues (you wouldn't want to use the Sleep Induction Aid while driving). Otherwise, they're designed almost always to be used whenever it is convenient for you.

As for the forum being a cult, that one had me laughing. It is such a cult that we regularly have to remove unruly types from the forum. You know, the types who are only there because they enjoy making things difficult for us, etc. We have our detractors just like everyone else, and if you follow our forum rules, you're welcome to disagree and dissent and post negative experiences about my programs. Maybe you're mistaking my happy lifetime customers for a cult?

As for application review, we have to prevent spammers from trashing our forum, and we have a lot of them constantly trying. So you'll have to complain to them about that.


I am guessing you're referring to DMSI results? I would say that by your posts here, you enjoy being a "skeptic" and a "dissenter" and complaining more than anything else. We have a few customers like that. Lately, even they are starting to come around, due to the developments in the technology that we have made working to improve DMSI. It goes into the skeleton script and everything else gets to benefit as well.

We have literally hundreds of testimonials taken from our members on the forums over the course of years. If you reject them, then of course they won't impress you. But to fail to be impressed by them, you have to stick your head in the sand and close your mind. Which would largely be why you don't seem to be getting good results... you don't want them. Complaining and being skeptical is more fun for some people. To each their own.

But yes, it's just coincidence that we have thousands of customers in (last I checked) 24 countries around the world, and the lowest refund rate of any company I have ever seen, while charging the highest prices in the industry and offering a quite frankly, ridiculously generous refund policy. That must be it. We stay in business because it's coincidence that someone got good results. Oh, let's not forget the tired old placebo chestnut. They're only getting placebo results too!

Quote:And personally i would not trust anyone who would play around with subliminals to try to prevent piracy and would not purchase their products. I would question the legality of putting such suggestions in a product sold as helping someone. People should only be subjected to suggestions that promote the main effect paid for

This is very revealing. You wouldn't trust someone who would try to stop you from pirating things. Let's look at the illogic going into this... you don't trust me because I don't want to have you steal from me. Mind boggling.

As for AP code, it is perfectly legal. My AP code specifies that if you are committing piracy AS DEFINED BY THE LAWS OF YOUR JURISDICTION, then the program will try to educate you about the point of view of the person you are stealing from by committing piracy. It also encourages you to stop pirating the pirated program, either by deleting it or buying it, your choice. But nowhere do I force you to do anything. I spent 2+ decades developing all this tech so I could retain free will instead of using the "it would have taken me a week or two" negative methods of manipulating you into obeying the script by using guilt, shame and fear instead.

And the jewel in the logic crown here! "People should only be subjected to suggestions that promote the main effect paid for". What we are talking about is your objection to anti-piracy code. Code that I spent a LONG time and a LOT of effort making sure it does not affect or inconvenience my paying customers. They don't care! But you do, and you're claiming it should only do what is paid for. Well it does only do what is paid for. It's when you don't pay for it that the AP code activates and does something!

Sounds to me like you may have a guilty conscience there, buddy.

Ihaveno guilt as i have not ever had your stuuf. you think you know it all and blame your customers when it does not work. I read you complain how hard life is for you with a sick gf. Why not use one of your healing subs,if it works for others should work for her. You are not worth arguing with. and i was nt referring to dmsi but all of your products.