(04-24-2015 4:57 AM)moe Wrote:  What do you mean by that Vega?
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Shannon wants the people to know that his products are working. So the sub will work even if you pirated it. But the sub will tell you to pay for the product if you pirated it.

That is what i got from reading some posts on sub-talk.

It will educate you to a "fair value exchange" buyer profit vs seller profit. As a result you will pay for it if it worked.

Quote:It will educate you to a "fair value exchange" buyer profit vs seller profit. As a result you will pay for it if it worked.

That is nonsense because it would be the user who decided if it worked. Shannon thinks he can make people do something which is against their true will. If someone does not consider torrenting wrong, then any result of torrenting shannon tries to implement will not apply to them. It is their conscience which decides if it is wrong to torrent. There is no way to force someone to not get a result from an effective product because they did not pay unless they feel bad about not paying. And no way to make them feel bad if file sharing is OK in their view. It is scaremongering.

It is like military hypnosis experiments when they asked a hypnotised soldier to shoot an officer. If they fire they gun they know deep down that the army would not create a situation where one of their officers would die. It is a game and the know that deep down

Shannon likes to claim he knows everything and more than anyone else and taught himself. When his product does not work he blames the customer for having subconscious resistance. Under those rules i could sell subliminals today. The periods of time he says one should listen like all night is not convenient for a lot of people so if they miss they will blame themselves. His forum is cult like and anyone who disagrees is not welcome. you cannot just join but your application has to be reviewed. no activation like here.

I have not seen many people claim what i would call success. womens look at me or smile at me. People look at people all the time, sometimes scanning a crowd to see if they know anyone. Has anyone had any real success who did not have some succes before? It could be just co incidence if they had success before. I am not impressed by any testimonial on his site or his excuses

And personally i would not trust anyone who would play around with subliminals to try to prevent piracy and would not purchase their products. I would question the legality of putting such suggestions in a product sold as helping someone. People should only be subjected to suggestions that promote the main effect paid for

Best way to judge is to try his free subs then decide for yourself.
My $0.02

(06-10-2018 12:53 PM)Maverick Wrote:  That is nonsense because His forum is cult like and anyone who disagrees is not welcome. you cannot just join but your application has to be reviewed. no activation like here.

Can you explain that part, I'm not sure I understand, I thought you were free to register anytime on their website.

I agree with you on the resistance, blaming the customer isn't a solution.

(06-11-2018 8:53 AM)WereWolf666 Wrote:  Can you explain that part, I'm not sure I understand, I thought you were free to register anytime on their website.

I agree with you on the resistance, blaming the customer isn't a solution.

When i tried to register it said something like your registration has to be approved. Similar words cannot recall exact. so i sent a query through the contact page and had no reply.

My question was could I listen while driving. i found i can. I may try the free confidence one but i have great reservations. shannon seems to says he knows more than anyone else in the world about subliminals. very arrogant. He needs to show proof of that. Where i am you have to have proof of all claims on a site. Where is the site based? USA? whois is hidden.

I think the 'results' spoken of by the forum members are sad. someone looked at me. People look at me all the time, sometimes they are just scanning the crowd. It is really sad to see people deceive themselves like that. Blames trhemselves because something does not work

Have you used any of his products. Did you see any real results? Did you see any real results from phermones. I think they are a scam too. i got some free samples and noticed no difference in the way people related to me

(06-11-2018 5:07 AM)jb20 Wrote:  Best way to judge is to try his free subs then decide for yourself.
My $0.02

good point. Takes a long time though. Big investment in time for very little gain. Part of my day i am at the computer part driving. Any of the free one do not address any needs. i am ok re confidence, don't have cancer.

(06-12-2018 6:56 AM)Maverick Wrote:  When i tried to register it said something like your registration has to be approved. Similar words cannot recall exact. so i sent a query through the contact page and had no reply.

My question was could I listen while driving. i found i can. I may try the free confidence one but i have great reservations. shannon seems to says he knows more than anyone else in the world about subliminals. very arrogant. He needs to show proof of that. Where i am you have to have proof of all claims on a site. Where is the site based? USA? whois is hidden.

I think the 'results' spoken of by the forum members are sad. someone looked at me. People look at me all the time, sometimes they are just scanning the crowd. It is really sad to see people deceive themselves like that. Blames trhemselves because something does not work

Have you used any of his products. Did you see any real results? Did you see any real results from phermones. I think they are a scam too. i got some free samples and noticed no difference in the way people related to me

I didn't have any problem registering, maybe now they check if someone is not using a double account. They had a lot of problems on the forum recently.

To answer your question is not simple, I have seen both results from both Subliminal and pheromones. Pheromones effects are easier to spot for me.

Having said that people are affected differently by pheromones and subliminal exactly like any experience in life.

Let's say you have 100 person watch an horror movie. Maybe in those 100 person only 10% will get really scared and have nightmare from it. Maybe in those 100 5% will feel like it was a complete dud and they felt nothing at all. In those 10% that got scared maybe 30% of them will never admit that they got scared and were affected deeply by it. Maybe as a way to protect themselves like some people who forget they had a traumatizing car accident.


Yesterday I was testing BW near my GF, I was all around the house, I was more aggressive, more pushy, more playful, joking and more crazy in my ideas. Those things are very subtle for some people, so subtle that they don't even see the difference if I point at them the difference.
On the other hand at first glance I didn't notice much difference from my GF behavior, but this is because she has a very grounded personality and doesn't show her emotions easily.

So some people I think need to work on their awareness of what's happening around them until they can understand what phero and subliminal do.
With that said sometimes the hit are much more in your face, but those doesn't happen everyday.

Still for some people it's hard to believe they have a girl hitting on them.
For example I remember one night I had at least 8 women showing direct interest, approaching, asking me stuff, pretending to know me from somewhere, the complete package almost and it happen repeatedly in a pattern that was very predictable, all girl did the same thing.
Even with all that "proof" my friend who saw all that didn't believe me even after me saying it to his face that it wasn't a coincidence that 8 women approach me that night and said basically the same thing to me.

This has do with psychology, personality, belief system etc.

Now maybe this is deceiving and we are all lying. So check your reality, don't believe blindly, test and see what's real to you. Don't believe every report to be the truth, don't believe me, don't believe anyone, check, test, and have fun while doing it.

(06-13-2018 9:33 AM)WereWolf666 Wrote:  I didn't have any problem registering, maybe now they check if someone is not using a double account. They had a lot of problems on the forum recently.

Why would people make double accounts or be unhappy if the products work?

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Quote:Those things are very subtle for some people, so subtle that they don't even see the difference if I point at them the difference.
On the other hand at first glance I didn't notice much difference from my GF behavior, but this is because she has a very grounded personality and doesn't show her emotions easily.

The problem with that is people see what they expect, post hoc reasoning.

Quote:So some people I think need to work on their awareness of what's happening around them until they can understand what phero and subliminal do.

i think that is post hoc reasoning/selective attention too
I was out today and yesterday. Lots of people smiled at me. No phermone and not using any subliminals. One i had not seen for a while said it is nice to see you.It did not cost me 500 dollars. If i were using i may give credit to the subliminal. i think that is where people get taken advantage of

Quote:For example I remember one night I had at least 8 women showing direct interest, approaching, asking me stuff, pretending to know me from somewhere, the complete package almost and it happen repeatedly in a pattern that was very predictable, all girl did the same thing.

that is unusual

Quote:This has do with psychology, personality, belief system etc.

it has but it also has to do with people psychologically fooling themselves, seeing what they want to see and giving credit to the product

Years ago i tried phermone and in a disco one very good looking girl was really into me. i ignored her as she was with someone but it turned out he was her brother. But no way to know she would not have been interested anyway. But i agree with the 8 girl experience someting strange was happening

I understand your skepticism a lot of people fool themself, try and see for yourself. If you doubt subliminal test pheromones first, it's faster to get results.
In the end you are the only one able to convince yourself, until you really test the product.
I still have been testing phero and subliminal I still don't believe fully or blindly, I still test the limit of both. Especially if a product cost 500$. I didn't want to buy AQ at 120$ for example.
At the same time being completely closed isn't helping either. It's like with women to me, I won't trust them blindly, but being paranoid and expecting that every women is a crazy manipulative bitch isn't helping either.
Some middle ground is what I strive for. In the end nothing is perfect Subliminals and Phero aren't magic tool, you will always find someone complaining even at the best product out there or the best company. No forum, no company, no product, no women is perfect, we don't live in disneyland.

Quote:Why would people make double accounts or be unhappy if the products work?

Personality, ego, people feeling disrespected, paranoia, jealousy, hormones, people fight for no reason sometimes, they just have a bad day and need someone to blame for their pain, sometimes life is hard. Just read the forums and will see for yourself if you can read through the line of drama, you will get used to it.