If you look at IG all the models these days can get laid on looks, fitness, fashion alone.

It's about hookups. No one has time for dating.

Models on IG are not showcasing their brains, or talents.. It's all sexual attraction.

The end of GAME. The end of PUA skills.

You don't need any of that to lay a model.

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There's some truth in that.

IMO, it's just that the game has changed.

Real world approaches are less frequent in modern culture. Approaching and asking people out happens entirely online; whether its dating apps or on social media. And on dating apps and social media - "looks, fitness and fashion" are king. But you still need "game", ie social ability, to succeed when you actually go on the date. Of course that "game" is quite different to the kinda game focused on by PUA (approaching, getting numbers, getting first dates).

This very eerily echoes a common lamentation in the Incel and PUA groups.

The common mantra is that self-improvement, being nice, learning "Game", or any other thing that people say works is just malarky. Ultimately the "Chads", those that get the women (umm...Stacys) are just the lucky few blessed with LMS...looks, money, and status.

We see it in the incels as they would rather pretend to attempt to better themselves than truly try and therefore net no progress. In the PUA spheres, this happens when the would-be Lothario reaches the end of the hogwash that is called Game, doesn't realize that the entirety of it is merely the first step of the journey, not the destination, and more or less hits a brick wall, curtailing or obliterating their seduction.

Having good looks, being sexy, helps, but the car with the best paint job doesn't win the race. Additionally, looks are superficial, which means, at best, they only attract those that are, themselves, superficial. One may be less than a bronze Ubermensche Adonis and get more ass than a toilet seat; it's all about how you make others feel.

(06-23-2022 8:55 AM)Gladen Wrote:  it's all about how you make others feel.

Should have led with this. More important than anything else you wrote.

In the words of the mighty Casanova: "The most beautiful women don't sleep with me because of money, looks, or power, but because of the way I make them FEEL"

Having said all that Casanova was good looking, spent lots of money on fancy picnics and dinners, and was a powerful man who went with the most beautiful, educated women, and also escaped prison where he served time for sleeping with his illegitimate niece.

So who can we trust?

I say when all else fails believe this: "EVERY ADVANTAGE COUNTS."

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(06-23-2022 2:08 PM)dsouza Wrote:  I say when all else fails believe this: "EVERY ADVANTAGE COUNTS."

Bingo. The cards you're dealt are the ones you're dealt.

You're ugly, short, poor, unhygienic, unfit, unsocial? You've got yourself a bad hand for sure.

The first two points can't really be helped. So get fit. Get social. Clean up. Get your finances in order. Are you going to get hits like someone who is just naturally tall and good looking? No. But you're going to do better than you did before.

The game has changed and will continue to change. That's no excuse to not be bettering yourself regardless of what the game becomes.

(07-27-2022 3:08 AM)Enjayee Wrote:  Bingo. The cards you're dealt are the ones you're dealt.

You're ugly, short, poor, unhygienic, unfit, unsocial? You've got yourself a bad hand for sure.

The first two points can't really be helped. So get fit. Get social. Clean up. Get your finances in order. Are you going to get hits like someone who is just naturally tall and good looking? No. But you're going to do better than you did before.

The game has changed and will continue to change. That's no excuse to not be bettering yourself regardless of what the game becomes.

While I've gotten in shape (nowhere near athlete body, though) have great finances, dressing well and always bathe and smell clean I fall into the 'sub-5' category I've heard recently on assorted men's YouTube channels, looks wise. I'm also short and while I hate to admit it I've been wearing height increasing footwear though even with the most reasonable height increase I'm still shorter than the so-called 'average' male height of 5'9" tall. While I'm no longer fat I suppose I'm short and fugly!

As mentioned before, I use mones as any advantage I can grab is one I'll take, though my dating life sucks, to put it bluntly. This also doesn't factor in a cosmetic eye issue I have which would require surgery to correct and could possibly leave me in a state where I wouldn't be able to drive which is why I had never considered getting it corrected.

(07-27-2022 4:57 PM)Johnny Fever Wrote:  While I've gotten in shape (nowhere near athlete body, though) have great finances, dressing well and always bathe and smell clean I fall into the 'sub-5' category I've heard recently on assorted men's YouTube channels, looks wise. I'm also short and while I hate to admit it I've been wearing height increasing footwear though even with the most reasonable height increase I'm still shorter than the so-called 'average' male height of 5'9" tall. While I'm no longer fat I suppose I'm short and fugly!

As mentioned before, I use mones as any advantage I can grab is one I'll take, though my dating life sucks, to put it bluntly. This also doesn't factor in a cosmetic eye issue I have which would require surgery to correct and could possibly leave me in a state where I wouldn't be able to drive which is why I had never considered getting it corrected.

Johnny Fever, why do you always play the ugly card?

Give yourself more credit.

Do you know many women consider 6’ Brad Pitt at age 21 one hell of a stud, yet in his autobiography Brad Pitt claims he struck out in the bar scene with woman after woman during his early twenties. He couldn’t even land a kiss!

That tells me personality trumps looks almost always.

Nice guys connect with women but they don’t escalate = FZ

Bad guys have no problem escalating sexually with women but a lot of them skip comfort and they too get eliminated.

The answer lies in connection + escalation and knowing how to calibrate yourself to seamlessly flow between the two, back and forth until you succeed.

Welcome to the journey of 1000 miles.

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I don't think it's fair that pretty women don't have to make an effort while pretty men have to have a good game. If the woman is looking for a serious relationship then it is justified that the man has to offer more. If the woman is not looking for a serious relationship and is open to affairs, I find it unfair if she expects a lot more from handsome men than vice versa. I wish that pretty men could find other flirt partners as easily as pretty women, because that would be equal.

(07-27-2022 11:40 PM)dsouza Wrote:  Johnny Fever, why do you always play the ugly card?

Give yourself more credit.

Problem is the evidence seems to confirm my own, presumably unbiased, opinion. For the waste of time I've spent with online dating I used a site called PhotoFeeler where you can have people rate / rank your photos. Out of 14 photos my average is 4.07 out of 10. Being bald is probably yet another nail in the coffin. I'm just being realistic, especially with my track record with women. I tend to attract the damaged type with the last one where I was fer revenge lay on the hubby who cheated on her - fact of the matter was I had to sell my condo and move 25 miles to get away from her.

(07-27-2022 11:40 PM)dsouza Wrote:  Do you know many women consider 6’ Brad Pitt at age 21 one hell of a stud, yet in his autobiography Brad Pitt claims he struck out in the bar scene with woman after woman during his early twenties. He couldn’t even land a kiss!

That tells me personality trumps looks almost always.

Assuming you find a woman to give you the time of day. I approached some women in the last couple of months but when I make my move to get a phone number they dance around the whole thing saying they'd contact me. Hell, even I know what that means ... while the crickets play their song! I wanted to do a social experiment with getting one of my "chad" friend loan me some photos to see how they rate, not only on PhotoFeeler but also on the general dating apps using my same profile text. I have a feeling the handsome lad will fair much better, just like he does in real life.

(07-27-2022 11:40 PM)dsouza Wrote:  Nice guys connect with women but they don’t escalate = FZ

Bad guys have no problem escalating sexually with women but a lot of them skip comfort and they too get eliminated.

The answer lies in connection + escalation and knowing how to calibrate yourself to seamlessly flow between the two, back and forth until you succeed.

Welcome to the journey of 1000 miles.

I'll be the first one to admit my game sucks, as I unknowingly believed the old line of "you'll find the woman when you stop looking for her" which basically gave me almost two decades of nothing except focusing on my 'purpos' (as Rich Cooper would say) and I can't get those years back. So, take a lesson from your Uncle Johnny ... if somebody gives you that line give them a quick, swift punch right in the face. I wish I could turn back the clock but know that's impossible. I think the only thing I have going for me is that several of my staff didn't believe I'm 59+, thinking I was in my 40s. That was the only thing that boosted my spirits this week.