I find backhanded compliments have worked for me better than direct compliments or insults (negging).

Saying something to an HB9 like :

"That's a nice hairdo you have, it makes your face look slimmer"

- On the one hand your complimenting her, on the other you're insinuating that her face is chubby or fat without the hairdo.

That is not really a downright insult, and most women would not flip at a man who talks to them that way. But it has just the right amount of insult to bring an HB9/10 down from her pedestal so that she's on fair playing ground for man who is not an HB 9/10. Don't make it seem like you're insulting her.. Deliver it with finesse then change the subject.

Remember HB9/10's have had 100 compliments hurled at them every week of their life. A backhanded compliment is not meant to lay an HB6/7. I am talking about aiming and using them on the 9's and 10's.

I find just creating connections and banter etc is all good but in the early stages of dealing with 9's and 10's they're ready to shoot you down off cloud 9. It's like it's their gut instinct if you try to dominate or come on to them as soon as you meet them! However, if one feels more comfortable playing indirect connection based games that could lead to kissing or more then that would work, but anytime you don't make your intentions known from the start , you're starting from zero and could end up in the FZ. Better to start of with attraction, and then going comfort and seduction.

In fact start of ASSUMING attraction.

Just curious which pheromones are best (pull 9's and 10's) and makes one quick-witted at dealing with shit tests etc? AM 2014 was a killer for this one. BW, AV both high status but if you don't act humble you get hostile reactions. I like CAS (pulls 9's and 10's) but I don't know how well it would work with this type of game. I think CAS is a great one. You guys sure AV wouldn't work with a backhanded compliment like the one above????

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(06-24-2023 1:42 AM)dsouza Wrote:  But it has just the right amount of insult to bring an HB9/10 down from her pedestal so that she's on fair playing ground for ****man who is not an HB 9/10****.

Exactly. Backhanded complimente/negs are for men who don't see themselves as quality individuals. ie insecure.

(06-24-2023 1:42 AM)dsouza Wrote:  Just curious which pheromones are best (pull 9's and 10's)

Pheromones don't target women of specific levels of beauty. That not how pheromones or biology works. No company advertises products specifying it to women of a level of beauty.

(06-24-2023 1:42 AM)dsouza Wrote:  BW, AV both high status but if you don't act humble you get hostile reactions.

Nope. This isn't remotely true. In fact it's quite the opposite.


My suggestion is you go after insecure women, negs and backhanded compliments will work well on them.

(06-24-2023 11:30 AM)Macro Wrote:  Exactly. Backhanded complimente/negs are for men who don't see themselves as quality individuals. ie insecure.

(06-24-2023 1:42 AM)dsouza Wrote:  Just curious which pheromones are best (pull 9's and 10's)

Pheromones don't target women of specific levels of beauty. That not how pheromones or biology works. No company advertises products specifying it to women of a level of beauty.

(06-24-2023 1:42 AM)dsouza Wrote:  BW, AV both high status but if you don't act humble you get hostile reactions.

Nope. This isn't remotely true. In fact it's quite the opposite.


My suggestion is you go after insecure women, negs and backhanded compliments will work well on them.

@macro

Could you explain why you disagree with AV and BW being high status and one needs to be humble, I have also got the same vibe about those two pheromones from reading the forum.

(06-24-2023 12:15 PM)zeroman Wrote:  @macro

Could you explain why you disagree with AV and BW being high status and one needs to be humble, I have also got the same vibe about those two pheromones from reading the forum.

I've used them both extensively and never acted humble. Confidence/friendly/taking the lead is how I use them. But thats how I use every mone. Because those qualities work regardless of mone. If you're worried about a mone being too intimidating the trick isn't to be humble, the trick is be friendly, open, relaxed, put the person/people you're with at ease - make jokes, poke fun at yourself, etc.

When I say humble I don't mean act low value, too nice, or like a doormat. I mean someone who doesn't put others down, and someone whose gracious about their success. That doesn't mean they can't be confident at times. Conceit is out however.

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(06-24-2023 1:42 AM)dsouza Wrote:  Just curious which pheromones are best (pull 9's and 10's)

Macro says: Pheromones don't target women of specific levels of beauty. That not how pheromones or biology works. No company advertises products specifying it to women of a level of beauty.

dsouza responds: Pheromones don't guarantee you'll succeed sleeping with 9's and 10's but there is a disproportionate ratio of 9's and 10's I've seen mones like AM NOS 2014, L2k 2014/2018, CAS, AQ etc pull into one's vicinity compared to initial pull by many other pheromone manufacturers. You really think this is all in our heads?

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(06-24-2023 1:10 PM)dsouza Wrote:  You really think this is all in our heads?

Yes. It's in YOUR head.

I once was playing with my son on the side while my wife was waiting in a long line of people ,waiting to renew her health card. This beautiful beautiful woman, white half spanish, walking with 4 black men, all seem to be high status (by the way they were dressed) leaves them, picks up my son and comes up to me, and shakes my hand, telling me that my son is very cute and would like to get to know me better. I didn't open my mouth one bit.

All I see is a very angry spanish woman (my wife) walking fast towards us, abandoning her position in line she waited half an hour in and telling the lady if she can help her with anything , ina very angry tone. I was wearing instant honesty, a314 (forgot which revision). She walks away, and I hear one of the black men asking her why did she do that for? But I didn't here her response or not sure she answered.

All during daytime , no alcohol involved.

The most blatant lazy man hit during daytime infront of a big crowd who say the whole thing I've ever experienced when I first started dipping toes into the pheromone world. I've had many lazy many hits after that attracted nothing but very quality women without opening my mouth. Eye contact and a smirk was all my took. it is consistent products that have alpha AndrosteRone. The ratio however has to be just right, Cannot be mimiced at will but Random.

It intimidates, shy, insecure, women on their periods, very young girls, non experienced, but really made high status women pursue. Something I never saw from any of the LAL products , pheromonexs products , thundr's products or Alpha dreams (only old AM got me a few lazy man sexual hits but not necessarily with beautiful women).

More on that when I have time.

Sorry, my point is, even though I don't agree with DeSouza, and no offence but sometimes I feel he lives in an alternate reality, there are pheromones that target specifically this type of women .

(06-24-2023 1:51 PM)Indi-player Wrote:  Sorry, my point is, even though I don't agree with DeSouza, and no offence but sometimes I feel he lives in an alternate reality, there are pheromones that target specifically this type of women .

Not sure what this anecdote is meant to show outside that a beautiful cold approached you coz you wore a certain pheromone product.

(06-24-2023 1:10 PM)dsouza Wrote:  Macro says: Pheromones don't target women of specific levels of beauty. That not how pheromones or biology works. No company advertises products specifying it to women of a level of beauty.

dsouza responds: Pheromones don't guarantee you'll succeed sleeping with 9's and 10's but there is a disproportionate ratio of 9's and 10's I've seen mones like AM NOS 2014, L2k 2014/2018, CAS, AQ etc pull into one's vicinity compared to initial pull by many other pheromone manufacturers. You really think this is all in our heads?

Ive used AM NOS 2014, L2k 2014/2018, CAS, AQ never noticed any initial pull. CAS and AQ were pretty much duds for me.

You really think this is all in our heads?
For some guys, definitely. We've all seen guys that convince themselves that a girl (stripper/waitress) is attracted to them despite all evidence to the contraryI think a lot of mone users give the mones too much credit in some instances. I've seen reports in the past about by poster claiming hits in traffic or behind windows.If a girl smiles at me from the other side of the bar, what do you think is more likely. She finds me physically attractive or the mones traveled 15 ft across a crowded room and she was able to pinpoint they were coming from me.

I also think the obsession with "9s and 10s" is kind of a defense mechanism. If you try and fail to pick up a 9/10, you can convince yourself that they're harder to pick up when in reality you arent their type or your game is off.