I've used Aqua Vitae somewhere in the ball park of 2 years now, and I have some thoughts to share that might shed some light on this amazing product.

Most of the basics have been covered ad nauseam - congruence, the unforgiving nature of AV, escalating, etc. There are so many people that come so close to figuring out why this product is so hard to tame but end up missing the mark.

Just a quick note on covering the basics for AV:

Virtually everything that has been said about the product reigns true. I always appreciate reading all the experiences members have with IOI's, hits, etc but I can never bring myself to list those off myself. With that said though, take my word for this, AV is a hit MACHINE. I've mentioned this in a couple of other threads, but I genuinely get surprised when I don't see at least some noticeable reaction with AV on. I'm talking a ratio of maybe 19/20, for both guys and girls. If you aren't seeing these type of results, I'll touch on it a lot more in just a bit, because there is one demographic of men that this product is terrible for, one that it is average to good for, and one demographic for which AV is ASTOUNDING.

Anyway...

My goal is to pick up where the basic insights left off and maybe add some missing keys (one in particular) for the product.

Aqua Vitae does TWO things, and it does those two things perfectly..

One is STATUS and the other is ATTRACTION

The first one has been covered inside and out, and rightfully so. Act congruent to somebody with status, don't be weird, take initiative, and on and on and on. Although congruence with status is VITAL, it is not taking into account the entire other HALF of AV - the wearer's actual attractiveness.

You see, as guys we naturally like to focus on the things we can control and affect. And needless to say our personalities, our 'game', our status, and congruence with that status are all things that should be optimized. But it is a lot harder to improve our actual objective attractiveness.. especially in today's world. If a couple of decades ago the ratio was 70% personality and 30% looks, it is arguably shifting to 30% personality and 70% looks. No thanks in part to social media and this "visual" age we're entering. I won't get too deep into the sociology and changing trends here.

Most men, unfortunately, never experience DIRECT attraction.. at best they experience attraction from STATUS, which is always a PROXY to real attraction and not the real thing. Of course there are exceptions, but I don't want to split hairs and to keep the post concise.

I would always chuckle to myself growing up and even until this day seeing men put so, SO much work into status, money, game, etc to get girls. I would always think to myself "I literally don't understand how this is even remotely worth it for you." The amount of times I've seen guys with impressive game, good jobs, and great personalities have the girl completely swept from underneath them by an attractive guy with a fraction of those qualities I could write a book about.

Anyway...

The reason I bring these to aspects of AV up - STATUS and ATTRACTION - other than the simple fact that these are the two elements of AV, is that rarely does a man have BOTH of these. Most men have status/money/game (James Bond, etc) OR great physical genetics and face (Justin Timberlake, etc).

(Side note here: when I say genetics, hitting the gym and physique are vital, but it's just a foundation. In the end, face is king in this arena.)

Are you starting to get the picture for why AV is SO hard to drive or tame?

You need to be congruent with BOTH status and attraction.

I have a background in psychology, and that leaks into my friend groups as well. I'm known to do little experiments and they love it. I've slapped AV on two dozen people. I have not mentioned anything about pheromones, we just affectionately refer to them as "potions". Anyway, after a short while of testing on people, I was quickly able to see the pattern of who had the most success with AV. People who were congruent and attractive.

And THIS is the key to the mystery of AV - namely how attractive you actually are.

AV is STATUS and HEARTTRHOB.

That means...

~ If you are not all that attractive, there are FAR better products for you.
~ If you are moderately attractive, average, or at least qualify for "handsome young man that cleans up nice when needed", you'll have a moderate amount of success with AV.
~ If however you are genuinely attractive (especially facially), you should have zero trouble getting follow ups, dates, relationships, fwb's, same night lays or whatever night you feel like lays, and even long term relationships. The world is your oyster with AV. Believe me.

^ Again, this is all assuming you have the congruence and status parts down already.

I've read a lot of member experiences about girls "flickering", becoming disenchanted all of a sudden, waking up from the AV trance, and sometimes even getting downright hostile.

That "flickering" people are noticing in their targets is their psyche trying to accurately assess you or your attractiveness.

Imagine for a second a girl is a solid 7/10.. and she has the best make up artist (or make up alchemist should I say) that is able to push her looks to a 10/10. If you got close to said girl, and suddenly noticed her imperfections, you'd be a little disappointed that you thought she was a 10 and now you have a 7.

Like most guys however, if you've already invested time and are hopeful about her, you'd probably be able to excuse it. The "disenchantment" would be there, but minimal. I'm sure most guys would be able to brush it off and move on.

IF however, she's a 3/10, and her makeup artist/alchemist pushed her looks into the red line into 10/10, how would you feel then when it dawns on you you are dealing with a 3/10..? EXTREMELY disenchanted. Probably even repulsed.

Not so much repulsed about the poor girl being "ugly", but much more because you've been tricked. You would probably snap out of the trance too.

Can you see why girls become unresponsive especially AFTER they are no longer with you in person and in the AV cloud? Their psyche is able to, in a much more sober state of mind, assess your objective attractiveness.

So again, AV is..

~ Not ideal for unattractive
~ Mediocre for average guys (at least compared to better suited products)
~ And STELLER for attractive guys.

This same line of reasoning and observation applies to GOA. I L-O-V-E GOA. If I wasn't A-1 sensitive I would probably put everything else away and use it exclusively.

But what do a large chunk of members say usually?

"Well I love the comfort it gives but there's no attraction!"

Well, with a product like GOA, that's supposed to be your job. YOU need to bring the element of attraction to the table. If you are attractive, GOA is an absolute sledgehammer. It makes them comfortable enough to ACCEPT your attractiveness inside of herself (psychologically and then physically).

BTW...

If you guys are familiar with Mystery's M3 model, you can probably put most pheromone products into the 3 phases - ATTRACTION - COMFORT - SEDUCTION.


(M1) ATTRACTION = AV (one example)
(M2) COMFORT = GOA (one example)

...and my theory is that COPS are actually SEDUCTION (M3). It seems to me it's MAIN function in women, other than some of the basic observations we've all noticed, is that it drives them to ACTION. The effects of cops I would say drive deep to her ROOT (chakra). But that's another story for another time.

Just wanted to throw that in there in case it helps someone else organize their results and better plan out mixes the way its helped me.

The greater point here that I am trying to drive home is that notice GOA is just comfort, and no attraction. So if you are missing attractiveness, it will be forgiving.. you might not make it to home base, but she'll be thinking "Eh, no harm done - comfort for comfort's sake is always nice too."

HOWEVER... Aqua Vitae is not only "attractive", but it is arguably the MOST attractive product. It signals STRONGLY the PROMISE of attractiveness. It is LETHAL at what it does.

So if you are activating that part of her psyche, that deeply and that suddenly, then be prepared for the backlash or at least cold indifference that's going to wash over her once the dissonance between the AV and reality settles in.

Anyway, that's about all I have for now. Hope this helps!

I actually don't agree with your theory, that it's 70% looks and 30% status. I think it's simply looking as good as you can, but not overly so (or you'll look tryhard), and looking healthy/fit and like you take care of yourself. Status can be created out of thin air, on the spot. For example, maybe you have no friends but you're at a bar and getting along with lots of people. Boom, you have "status". By the way, I live in Los Angeles, and I see hot babes with guys who totally don't look that attractive physically (face-wise), but they have a strong masculine/charismatic presence. Maybe it is looks primarily for younger girls (teens-21), but for girls 21 and up, in my experience, they really don't care that much for "objective attractiveness". With that being said, pheromones seem to give a boost in certain areas and on certain girls, like they alter others' perception of you without you doing anything, so they can give you that extra 10-15% (or more) boost.

I’m not sure why you advise attractive guys to get AV and the unattractive people to stay away. That’s a completely wrong statement I would say.

Well, I don't see what's really being disagreed with here. Like the post says.. it's heading there.. not there yet..

Quote: I think it's simply looking as good as you can, but not overly so (or you'll look tryhard), and looking healthy/fit and like you take care of yourself.

To be clear the post isn't talking about wearing stylish jeans here or frosting your hair tips.. we're talking about your actual genetics. If all things are equal between two men with equal status, then looks and genetics are clearly going to be the next criteria.

Quote:With that being said, pheromones seem to give a boost in certain areas and on certain girls, like they alter others' perception of you without you doing anything, so they can give you that extra 10-15% (or more) boost.

And this is the greater point I am trying to make here.. a 10-15% boost beautification department should be all that the wearer should be aiming for to "round themselves out" a bit. More than that can create a backlash if the pheromones are signaling a greater "promise" of attractiveness than the wearer can deliver.

The signal AV is sending out is far beyond a 10-15% boost, and is closer to a jump of 40% to 50%. If you are beneath a 5/10 in attractiveness, there will often be disillusionment when reality settles in.

It is all about Energy ,
The wearer should project CALM, CONFIDENCE, LOVE and JOY to himself first as his personality and attitude, then people will feel that attractiveness to believe his real status and personality.
Pheromones only found to create or lift the wearer energy to act like that .
That the secret .

(08-12-2023 5:37 AM)Jetebaise Wrote:  I’m not sure why you advise attractive guys to get AV and the unattractive people to stay away. That’s a completely wrong statement I would say.

Well, I certainly don't want to overly discourage you or anyone from trying it. I'm merely cautioning that 1) don't be surprised when the other side of AV's sword shows itself and 2) there are more forgiving products for that segment of men.

AV is almost too good at what it sets out to do (status and attraction), and that's been the source of people critiquing it or simply not understanding it (calling it fickle, etc). Status alone is hard enough to embody or stay congruent with.. massive jumps in both status and attractiveness can be next to impossible for most men.

This is sort of the problem w/ a lot of Gary's products.. they're almost too good for their own good. Not to say he hasn't had a few weaker products too.

(08-12-2023 6:23 AM)Artist sam Wrote:  It is all about Energy ,
The wearer should project CALM, CONFIDENCE, LOVE and JOY to himself first as his personality and attitude, then people will feel that attractiveness to believe his real status and personality.
Pheromones only found to create or lift the wearer energy to act like that .
That the secret .

I like it brother - sometimes all you need is a good attitude and some VO5 Hair Gel.

Too much black pill stuff in this thread. The only reason I could think of saying AV is good only for attractive people is that it counter balances the A intimidation.

(08-12-2023 9:43 AM)TracerX Wrote:  Too much black pill stuff in this thread. The only reason I could think of saying AV is good only for attractive people is that it counter balances the A intimidation.

Not sure where the black pill is coming from..

The inferences I made to AV and the user's attractiveness were "not ideal for unattractive", "far better products", and one use of the term "terrible".

Aside from the word terrible (and I meant that in the practical sense for the people who don't get anything out of the product), I'm not seeing the black pill. If it is the word terrible, I can make sure to use softer words in the future.

In hopes of not getting into a hair splitting marathon, let me offer a parallel example (with myself):

Socials are VERY effective for me. Wolf, Bliss, you name it. I get opened constantly, and I've experienced virtually none of the downsides that are typically mentioned (beta-fied, etc).

I am not an "introvert" by any measure, but I'm very controlled w/ who I waste time talking to. Now even though socials work as intended for me, is it wise for me to slap on either too much, or too potent of a social product? Especially when 5 minutes into the conversation I am thinking to myself:

"God I wish this person would just leave. You made your 'choosing signals' clear, I wish you had just stayed where you were and let ME decide if I'm interested or not."

So, in the traditional sense of the word, I am not too social. But we all know socials and socializing is important - right?

Is me not being an overly social person a "social black pill" for me?

Of course not.

It just means I should either use measured, small amounts of a social product (like I do w/ Wolf), or just not use them all together.

What might be great for someone else might not be ideal for me. Does that make a little more sense?

I think its a great analysis