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Bad Wolf, Social Status, Dopamine
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06-02-2018 12:47 PM

The whole NoFap approach is totally bullshit. In case of Prostate Cancer its dangerous too.
https://www.bu.edu/sph/2018/05/31/ejacul...ncer-risk/

In naturopathy we handle the prostate as a trash can. All kind of junk is stored into it. Ejaculation will clean up the system. Thats maybe the reason for the results in the study beside other not known effects on the whole hormone system. So have fun and masturbate as often as your ladies will let you Smile

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06-02-2018 1:28 PM

(06-02-2018 12:47 PM)Hannibal Wrote:  The whole NoFap approach is totally bullshit. In case of Prostate Cancer its dangerous too.
https://www.bu.edu/sph/2018/05/31/ejacul...ncer-risk/

In naturopathy we handle the prostate as a trash can. All kind of junk is stored into it. Ejaculation will clean up the system. Thats maybe the reason for the results in the study beside other not known effects on the whole hormone system. So have fun and masturbate as often as your ladies will let you Smile

I disagree with this. First off, it's only one study that hasn't been replicated, so grains of salt should come with it already.

But even that said, from the article you linked:
Quote: They found no notable relationship between ejaculation frequency and gene expression in the tumor tissue. They also found no notable relationship between ejaculation frequency at ages 20-29 or 40-49 and gene expression. However, they found significant associations in the expression of 409 genes when they looked at ejaculation frequency in 1991.

Associations in ejaculation frequency only occurred after age 49, which is closer to when most men get prostate cancer anyways.
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06-03-2018 5:40 AM

(06-02-2018 1:28 PM)RoadRacer Wrote:  I disagree with this. First off, it's only one study that hasn't been replicated, so grains of salt should come with it already.

Yes its only a study and maybe in the future we are all a little bit more enlighted. Here is another hint:

Quote:Further study is needed to investigate possible protective mechanisms. In theory, emptying the prostate of potentially irritating or harmful substances might be one such mechanism. Regardless of the reason why, take comfort in the fact that ejaculation is not only pleasurable, but also may convey health benefits.

Source: https://www.harvardprostateknowledge.org...ate-cancer

This makes sense and supported our theory about the trash can i mentioned.

Imho the whole NoFap thing doesnt make any sense. Today we know that unused neuronal connections will drained from the brain if you doesnt use them anymore. If you didnt masturbate AND if you didnt have regular sex this could be backfiring. We know from women that their ability to orgasm and their desire will increase with regular sex. The body is a highly intelligent machine which will not waste any energy. What you didnt use will be minimized.
I didnt see any benefit in suppressing the need for a sexual release. Masturbation is a natural and healthy thing. Like anything it may cause problems if you overdo it. But suppressing the need with will power doenst makes any sense. For sure if someone feels better without masturbating its fine. Everybody should live his life like he want.

I have a high sex drive my whole life and never had any energy problems in my daily routines. Maybe men with a lower energy level should save their energy if masturbation is too exhausting for them. But reading all the storys about the NoFap hype with men who are fighting their emotions everyday to not give in...Thats totally bullshit and unhealthy. Emotional and psychological.
If they feel good and more energized all is fine. If they are only fighting and wasting energy in suppressing their sexual needs its bad.

Imho this nofap is like any other ego thing. Its a hype and their followers feel better because of the group dynamics.
But: Live and let live

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06-03-2018 6:20 AM

(06-03-2018 5:40 AM)Hannibal Wrote:  If they are only fighting and wasting energy in suppressing their sexual needs its bad.

Imho this nofap is like any other ego thing. Its a hype and their followers feel better because of the group dynamics.

I agree with everything you said, but these 2 statements are absolutely key.

Sex is a basic human need. Suppressing a basic need on any level is obviously bad for you. Research proves that people with an active sex life are generally much happier and healthier than those who rarely have sex at all. Suppressing sexual desire isn't much better than having an eating disorder.

The nofap community is full of shit because the instigators and followers place focus on a problem which doesn't exist. It's just another form of victim mentality blaming the porn industry for their inability to have sex with real life women.

What they should focus on is being comfortable with sexuality. They should focus on being able to confidently express sexual desire. They need to acknowledge the fact that some people have higher libido than others.
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06-03-2018 6:36 AM

(06-03-2018 6:20 AM)MacCauley Wrote:  What they should focus on is being comfortable with sexuality. They should focus on being able to confidently express sexual desire. They need to acknowledge the fact that some people have higher libido than others.

Thanks for that.
You hit the nail on the head Smile

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RE: Bad Wolf, Social Status, Dopamine
06-06-2018 7:24 AM

I suggest you read your brain on porn. all your scientific research is in that book

QUOTE='MacCauley' pid='221753' dateline='1527959217']

Depletes dopamine? That's simply not true. I'm not for porn. I think it's a defect substitute for real sex. But I often hear porn fear mongers talk about how jerking off to porn makes you lazy, depressed and jaded. No real scientific research points towards that. Now, I haven't touched myself in about 2 years, but I can assure you when I'm borderline in a coma it's from really good sex. Needing sex or a release often and by impulse has to do with high vs. low libido. So if you're a porn addict there's no reason to feel bad about it. You have high libido, a sign of reproductive health. Of course do what you can to have sex instead.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/...-addictive[/QUOTE]
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06-06-2018 10:04 AM

(06-03-2018 6:20 AM)MacCauley Wrote:  Sex is a basic human need. Suppressing a basic need on any level is obviously bad for you. Research proves that people with an active sex life are generally much happier and healthier than those who rarely have sex at all. Suppressing sexual desire isn't much better than having an eating disorder.

I agree with all what you say. But the reason porn addicts are suppressing the urges is to gain back their lost energies and to balance their messed up hormones.

Having sex and porn are not the same thing. Sex with a partner is an exchange of energies and emotions. Porn is something else. Porn addicts are unable to have real sex because their brains are wired to pornography, in order to have arousal they must see the same or better pictures.

Everyday porn is worse than everyday cocaine. Can't sleep, can't wake up if slept. Both dopamine and seratonine levels will be messed up. Anxiety, ocd, adhd, insomnia and many other hormone imbalance related illnesses occur. In long term ED occur. In longer term everything gets worse and harder to cure. Then people on porn look back and see they have done nothing in life, no motivation, no focus, no confidence, no goals, no achievment, no energy, no nothing. Basically hopeless and helpless. All they think is the next porn session because its much more satisfying than real sex (due to extreme dopamine release) because porn is limitless imagination.
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06-06-2018 11:55 AM

Porn can be dangerous like alcohol or any other drug.
It seems that there are people who are predisposed for any kinds of addictions. While someone can control his alcohol consumption in a healthy way another one will become alcoholic. Thats also true for porn consumption. I am watching porn from time to time since decades. It all started in the 80s with the good old vhs recorders. I never got hooked on porn nor i never got hooked on any other drug. Porn is boring after all because it will give no real satisfaction. Maybe its like alcohol predisposition that something in the DNA causes an addiction to porn for some guys.
I dont know but like alcohol if you know that you cant control it you should leave it.

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06-06-2018 12:31 PM

(06-06-2018 10:04 AM)Med Wrote:  I agree with all what you say. But the reason porn addicts are suppressing the urges is to gain back their lost energies and to balance their messed up hormones.

Having sex and porn are not the same thing. Sex with a partner is an exchange of energies and emotions. Porn is something else. Porn addicts are unable to have real sex because their brains are wired to pornography, in order to have arousal they must see the same or better pictures.

Everyday porn is worse than everyday cocaine. Can't sleep, can't wake up if slept. Both dopamine and seratonine levels will be messed up. Anxiety, ocd, adhd, insomnia and many other hormone imbalance related illnesses occur. In long term ED occur. In longer term everything gets worse and harder to cure. Then people on porn look back and see they have done nothing in life, no motivation, no focus, no confidence, no goals, no achievment, no energy, no nothing. Basically hopeless and helpless. All they think is the next porn session because its much more satisfying than real sex (due to extreme dopamine release) because porn is limitless imagination.

You have some interesting thoughts here. I partially agree and can see where you're coming from. But mostly I disagree.

I agree sex is about intimacy and connection. You can't be intimate with a digital porn star. I disagree porn addicts (let's change it to sex addicts) have wired their brain for porn. They willingly jerk off to porn because they generally don't have other options to get a release. Let's pretend we're in England during the Victorian age. They didn't have internet nor porn. Do you think all the men in those times got laid? How often did they jerk off? Why is it that the Romantics from European history would often write stories about young men who couldn't get or keep the women they really wanted? If a 300lbs woman randomly rang your doorbell one day you're horny and when you open the door she says "wanna fuck? while taking a huge mouthful of a greasy fast food burger, would you accept? Or would you say hell no and rub one out to a good looking porn star instead? What does statistics show about men who quit porn, more sex or the same old? If I watch a horror movie every day for many years will that desensitize my my flight or fight response if a psycho attacks me with a chainsaw? Would that makes me violent? Would I worship Jason X?

Libido is what it is. We all pretty much have no say in this. As men, we'll be slaves to our dicks until they stop working. Some of us needs sexual gratification more often than others. When human nature runs it course we'll take the best option we have. You can't be addicted to porn. It's not a chemical drug like cocaine which significantly alters brain chemistry. Porn is not addictive. People seek out sexual outlets based on life situation and preference. How does it work for gay people? Is that different?

Dopamine is a neurotransmitter. It also has other functions in the body. It doesn't have memory. Dopamine releases occurs when you do something thrilling or interesting. It follows your attention and is pretty much all over the place every day. By your logic, a seasoned Formula 1 driver would feel no thrill if he joined Nascar for one race. Guys who can't get laid generally have low dopamine to begin with. It doesn't decrease by watching porn. People with low dopamine will feel little excitement whatever they do while people with high dopamine are pretty much excited no matter what.

What you describe in the last paragraph is depression. Low dopamine is part of depression. People who suffer from depression tend seek out activities which helps reinstate that mentality. Much like obese people who say they want to lose weight, but they usually don't. It's not that food is bad for you. It's obviously the opposite. Obese people have an unhealthy relationship to food. They know they're slaves to junk food. So why do they keep eating it? Is it fair to blame the fast food industry? If junk food was outlawed would that prevent people from overeating? If depressed people quit watching porn, will that cure their depression?

The use of porn is mostly widespread in Western society. In some countries porn is banned. In some countries they don't even have internet. The majority of men in Western society use porn to some degree. If porn really was addictive and caused depression and helplessness, why is that we've had the most advancement in human history over the last 40 years? The movie Deepthroat was released in 1972.
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06-06-2018 12:37 PM

(06-06-2018 11:55 AM)Hannibal Wrote:  Porn can be dangerous like alcohol or any other drug.

Not just porn. ... sex can be an addiction as well.
Anything can be an addiction. .. playing video games.... social media ... as you said ... some people are predisposed to addiction.
Porn isn't the problem. At some point you need to exercise self control.

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