Quote:I still think P96 is alpha androstenol.

No I know its not alpha androstenol. Thats easy to get for them but P96 is not. I am thinking its Allopregnanolone which does smell much the same as Alpha Androstenol.

Tisha

(09-29-2009 3:40 AM)Tisha Wrote:  No I know its not alpha androstenol. Thats easy to get for them but P96 is not. I am thinking its Allopregnanolone which does smell much the same as Alpha Androstenol.

Tisha

It probably is not alloprenanolone, because that substance is a hypnotic that causes a different set of effects than that which is reported with P96. You get barbiturate like effects with allopregnanolone, and effects very similar to alcohol consumption. Not to mention, that allopregnanolone is very expensive to acquire.

And Jasmin told me that P96 is alpha androstenol, if you can believe her. But whatever, for me personally, I'm done with unknowns.

Diane

Quote:to acquire.It probably is not alloprenanolone, because that substance is a hypnotic that causes a different set of effects than that which is reported with P96. You get barbiturate like effects with allopregnanolone, and effects very similar to alcohol consumption. Not to mention, that allopregnanolone is very expensive

P96 is very expensive as well which is why they dont have it in stock a lot. Remember they sometimes sell the test molecules at a loss so we are not paying the full price. Back when I tested it it and it went out I asked about it and whether it would be back and Jas said it was hard to get very expensive so they take a big lose on it.


I know it has this effect when ingested but not when used pheromonally. Some hormones act very differently when inhaled then they do when used ingested.

Some of the current research has indicated that it has stress reducing effects especially in women with PMDD or PMS who general test for low levels of allopregnanolone. It does coninside with much of the accumilated reports on it especially from the females. The small levels you get when its inhaled through the olfactory system can and do have a stress reducing effect.


As far as it being alpha Alpha Androstenol. I have about 20 bottles of Alpha Androstenol and 2 of P96 and I can say with extreme confidence that they are not the same. Why Jasmin would tell you such a thing is beyond me. Especially when she has a signed disclosure aggreement stating she is not to reveal the true molecular names.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1242...t=Abstract


https://www.pmsandpmdd.eclipse.co.uk/pms...earch.html



There are a few more studys I have to dig up. Now........... of course a lot more research needs to be done on this before anyone can come to a conculsion and I am not saying that P96 is alloprenanolone for a fact but it is something to consider.

Tisha

(09-29-2009 4:43 PM)Tisha Wrote:  As far as it being alpha Alpha Androstenol. I have about 20 bottles of Alpha Androstenol and 2 of P96 and I can say with extreme confidence that they are not the same. Why Jasmin would tell you such a thing is beyond me. Especially when she has a signed disclosure aggreement stating she is not to reveal the true molecular names.

Tisha

Who knows. I have it printed out around here somewhere. But you knowwhat? I've been told so many bogus and conflicting things from thosepeople, I don't believe anything any of them say any more. They don'teven try to go back and cover their conflicting stories.

Diane

Tisha, what do you think TAF is?

I think it is very possible it is tetrahydrodeoxycorticosterone.

Any thoughts?

Diane

(09-30-2009 8:14 PM)Diane999 Wrote:  Tisha, what do you think TAF is?

I think it is very possible it is tetrahydrodeoxycorticosterone.

Any thoughts?

Diane

I am not sure but I do have trouble with it if I use to much. I was getting swollen glands in my neck on and off and the doctor couldnt figure out why. I didnt mention the pheromones to him but I later figured out if I use more then 50 mcg anywhere near my upper body my glands swell up. This is why I was always saying be careful with it over there. I know they use it in a lot of there mixes from what I was told but I never had trouble with those mixes so I assume they use lower then 50 MCG

Keep in mind I believe this is my own personal allergic reaction.

Tish

(10-05-2009 4:17 AM)Tisha Wrote:  I am not sure but I do have trouble with it if I use to much. I was getting swollen glands in my neck on and off and the doctor couldnt figure out why. I didnt mention the pheromones to him but I later figured out if I use more then 50 mcg anywhere near my upper body my glands swell up. This is why I was always saying be careful with it over there. I know they use it in a lot of there mixes from what I was told but I never had trouble with those mixes so I assume they use lower then 50 MCG

Keep in mind I believe this is my own personal allergic reaction.

Tish

From what I've read on the studies on this steroid it shouldn't be used in more than trace amounts, like 2-5 mcg (for human size body weight). At that dosage range it shows memory enhancement and improvements in attention to detail. At higher amounts it becomes hypnotic. It has seizure protective properties, and reduces anxiety. All that sounds like TAF and is why I wondered.

I haven't seen anything about this being an immune modulator, but I'll dig and see what I can find. It could be that with using such a high amount you were overwhelming your own body's immune signalling. Maybe Xiphoid could weigh in on that one.

The steroid shouldn't be causing an allergic reaction, or you'd be allergic to what your body already produces. So, unless it was a product additive that you were responding to, it most likely isn't an allergy per se.

Thanks, this is a good reminder that all pheromones should be used with respect and careful dosing.

Diane

I thought about the additives but they use the same ones in all their products and TAF is the only one that does it to me. I guess your right about the allergic reaction but its defiantly something to do with my chemistry and that particular molecule because no one else ever reported anything like that. Just extreme dilation of the eyes.