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01-09-2010 7:23 PM

Source: https://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w...971638.ece

Western troops accused of executing 10 Afghan civilians, including children

American-led troops were accused yesterday of dragging innocent children from their beds and shooting them during a night raid that left ten people dead.

Afghan government investigators said that eight schoolchildren were killed, all but one of them from the same family. Locals said that some victims were handcuffed before being killed.

Western military sources said that the dead were all part of an Afghan terrorist cell responsible for manufacturing improvised explosive devices (IEDs), which have claimed the lives of countless soldiers and civilians.

"This was a joint operation that was conducted against an IED cell that Afghan and US officials had been developing information against for some time," said a senior Nato insider. But he admitted that "the facts about what actually went down are in dispute".

The allegations of civilian casualties led to protests in Kabul and Jalalabad, with children as young as 10 chanting "Death to America" and demanding that foreign forces should leave Afghanistan at once.

President Karzai sent a team of investigators to Narang district, in eastern Kunar province, after reports of a massacre first surfaced on Monday.

"The delegation concluded that a unit of international forces descended from a plane Sunday night into Ghazi Khan village in Narang district of the eastern province of Kunar and took ten people from three homes, eight of them school students in grades six, nine and ten, one of them a guest, the rest from the same family, and shot them dead," a statement on President Karzai's website said.

Assadullah Wafa, who led the investigation, said that US soldiers flew to Kunar from Kabul, suggesting that they were part of a special forces unit.

"At around 1 am, three nights ago, some American troops with helicopters left Kabul and landed around 2km away from the village," he told The Times. "The troops walked from the helicopters to the houses and, according to my investigation, they gathered all the students from two rooms, into one room, and opened fire." Mr Wafa, a former governor of Helmand province, met President Karzai to discuss his findings yesterday. "I spoke to the local headmaster," he said. "It's impossible they were al-Qaeda. They were children, they were civilians, they were innocent. I condemn this attack."

In a telephone interview last night, the headmaster said that the victims were asleep in three rooms when the troops arrived. "Seven students were in one room," said Rahman Jan Ehsas. "A student and one guest were in another room, a guest room, and a farmer was asleep with his wife in a third building.

"First the foreign troops entered the guest room and shot two of them. Then they entered another room and handcuffed the seven students. Then they killed them. Abdul Khaliq [the farmer] heard shooting and came outside. When they saw him they shot him as well. He was outside. That's why his wife wasn't killed."

A local elder, Jan Mohammed, said that three boys were killed in one room and five were handcuffed before they were shot. "I saw their school books covered in blood," he said.

The investigation found that eight of the victims were aged from 11 to 17. The guest was a shepherd boy, 12, called Samar Gul, the headmaster said. He said that six of the students were at high school and two were at primary school. He said that all the students were his nephews. In Jalalabad, protesters set alight a US flag and an effigy of President Obama after chanting "Death to Obama" and "Death to foreign forces". In Kabul, protesters held up banners showing photographs of dead children alongside placards demanding "Foreign troops leave Afghanistan" and "Stop killing us".

Hekmatullah, 10, a protester, said: "We're sick of Americans bombing us." Samiullah Miakhel, 60, a protester. said: "The Americans are just all the time killing civilians."

Nato's International Security Assistance Force said that there was "no direct evidence to substantiate" Mr Wafa's claims that unarmed civilians were harmed in what it described as a "joint coalition and Afghan security force" operation.

"As the joint assault force entered the village they came under fire from several buildings and in returning fire killed nine individuals," he said.


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01-10-2010 4:31 AM

Mark, I don't understand why you posted this with such a hyperbolic thread title. Reading the article reveals details that are a bit more fuzzy than the simple idea that cigar chompin' soldiers went in all "hoo-ah!" on anything that moved. I'm not saying anyone is innocent, nor am I saying anyone is guilty, but I've got several soldiers and marines in my family and know that the vast majority of our men and women in uniform are honorable and would not act with reckless abandon and the intent to "murder" innocent civilians.

I'm trying to avoid outright saying that I'm offended by the wording of "American troops murder Afghani Children", but I'm finding it hard.
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01-10-2010 2:31 PM

Jon, I didn't mean to offend you with the title, and it's not intended to suggest that all soldiers are ruthless killers.

It just really upsets me everytime I read something like this, and tarnishes the image we're projecting as a nation.

Google turned up a number of links with information on the executions and the link and article I posted was one of the most conservative in the accusations made.

I chose this article to post because it actually includes an admission that american forces were invloved, but that the facts are in dispute.

I am ex military myself, so anytime I see articles like the one posted it really gets to me.

I wholeheartedly agree that the vast majority of men and women in uniform are patriots and of exceptional caliper, but as these wars drag on and on and american support for the war efforts continue to fall, I believe that there's going to be more and more bad apples enlisting who are just intent on killing and causing mayhem.

I'm sorry, but the idea that anyone could handcuff and then shoot a 10 year old child breaks my heart.

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01-10-2010 2:48 PM

I don't think soldiers can fight wars like this for such an extended period of time. The physical and mental stress is just too much. The expectations of war, fighting an enemy that uses guerilla tactics, politics from home country, can't tell if a local is a friend or foe, etc... sounds a lot like Vietnam and the My Lai massacres.

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01-10-2010 6:10 PM

As I said earlier, I'm sure that the vast majority of men and women serving in the armed forces are above reproach, but then there are the pieces of shit like this asshole!

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01-11-2010 8:57 AM

If what this turd says happened really happened I hope he burns in hell. On the other hand it wouldn't be the first time a dipshit returned home from a war and found out that he could get more free beer by impressing his homeboys with made up war stories.

Whatever the truth of these kinds of things, prosecuting "wars" on nebulous things like poverty, drugs or terrorism destroys whatever pride is left in being an American.

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