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12-07-2011 1:37 PM

(12-07-2011 1:30 PM)Jolly Jumper Wrote:  If I'm not mistaken, Androtics own that website too. Don't recall where I heard it though.

The A314 site works .. i've ordered there !

but after 3 orders they sent me the money back and said i should order at the main site as they are loosing money with the A314 site ..

what a laugh ... if i have a site on the net i don't put on something there with what i loose money !

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12-07-2011 2:42 PM

(12-07-2011 8:42 AM)mark-in-dallas Wrote:  Thats why they raised their prices. What better way to show their appreciation than to gouge you with a huge price increase?

BTW, when the raised the price up to $109 for A314 because they were losing money on it, they left the price at $69 on the a314.com website, and they threw in a full size bottle of Turn Up The Heat with every purchase.

That they would sell it for $40 less to anyone other than their valued forum members shows just how much less they love them. Big Grin



I always wondered that. When they raised their prices why didnt they raise their price on that link. Its a slap in the face of their customer base. Oh due to increases in cost we must raise 314 prices. This wont apply to people who stumble upon the 69 price. Even if you account for a 25 gc discount for first timers its still more of a discount for strangers to AD.

I gave my friend the link to that since he wants to reup his 314.

@pago. Man i cant believe they told you to order from the main site. I dont believe theres a disclaimer saying that this is a limited offer and repurchases need to be at full retail.

That link has been around a while. I wonder when they will bring it down.
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12-07-2011 2:55 PM

(12-07-2011 1:37 PM)Pagodeiro Wrote:  The A314 site works .. i've ordered there !

but after 3 orders they sent me the money back and said i should order at the main site as they are loosing money with the A314 site ..

what a laugh ... if i have a site on the net i don't put on something there with what i loose money !

Pago

I think I'll try ordering some in a few days when I expect some money coming my way.
Maybe they'll send me the money back too if they discover that I've ordered from the main site before. Undecided

That whole thing is sickening though. There is no way in burning hell they lose money selling the stuff at a314.com
If they do, everybody in charge should be shot for not only poor management but outright sabotage.

I'm gonna try getting some anyway. Maybe order two or three bottles at once, since it seems I won't get many shots at it.

"Integrity: Doing the right thing even when no one is watching".
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12-10-2011 10:52 AM

It definitely seems like the "glory days" are gone...luckily I caught the tail end of that in 2009...but it seems like the company has changed, the forums have changed, and the ownership has changed...all for the worse.

Androtics has always struck me as a very transparent and open company. I thought the former owner Michael Harris was an awesome guy with great ideas. But he has moved on to different things, and now one wonders whether this is all just a facade, that the seemingly transparent nature of AD is just an illusion.

I'm not sure, but I have lost some faith and trust in the company. And this new guy John Sebastian seems nice but oftentimes the answers I have seen him give on the forums are very vague and sketchy. Who knows why this is. I'm not badmouthing him by any means -- I don't know what goes on behind the scenes.

Who is really running the show over there anyway?
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12-10-2011 5:04 PM

AD has turned into a cult.

Nothing about their business model makes sense. Their "research" has led to no new products being developed. They screwed up A314, their flagship product. They now sell IO 1X for $120 for 30mL, but you have to call in to even get that.

It does seem like the giant may be falling.

I just wish I knew what's in P96 and P75. Smile
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12-10-2011 5:09 PM

(12-10-2011 5:04 PM)JAYCEE Wrote:  AD has turned into a cult.

Nothing about their business model makes sense. Their "research" has led to no new products being developed. They screwed up A314, their flagship product. They now sell Instant Openness 1X for $120 for 30mL, but you have to call in to even get that.

It does seem like the giant may be falling.

I just wish I knew what's in P96 and P75. Smile


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12-10-2011 6:04 PM

AD is messing up though i love ammo+instant shine AD have become the apple of the pheromone community (minus quality packaging for some products i.e to-go bottles)charging high prices because they have a small loyal community that would pay in a bad economy have they no shame Treaten seeing as there are other products that do the same for way less IO price increase is completely unjust i.e Glace or TA+TL just to name two that get me way better result.In closing, I am glad i found this forum or else i would have been in the burning dynasty Focus instead of being on the mountain looking at them from a distance Smoke hopefully they can change before its too late

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12-10-2011 6:12 PM

(12-10-2011 6:04 PM)L.Lawliet Wrote:  AD is messing up though i love ammo+instant shine AD have become the apple of the pheromone community (minus quality packaging for some products i.e to-go bottles)charging high prices because they have a small loyal community that would pay in a bad economy have they no shame Treaten seeing as there are other products that do the same for way less Instant Openness price increase is completely unjust i.e Glace or TA+TL just to name two that get me way better result.In closing, I am glad i found this forum or else i would have been in the burning dynasty Focus instead of being on the mountain looking at them from a distance Smoke hopefully they can change before its too late

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03-27-2012 8:58 AM

(12-07-2011 2:42 PM)paradigmshift Wrote:  I always wondered that. When they raised their prices why didnt they raise their price on that link. Its a slap in the face of their customer base. Oh due to increases in cost we must raise 314 prices. This wont apply to people who stumble upon the 69 price. Even if you account for a 25 gc discount for first timers its still more of a discount for strangers to AD.

I gave my friend the link to that since he wants to reup his 314.

@pago. Man i cant believe they told you to order from the main site. I dont believe theres a disclaimer saying that this is a limited offer and repurchases need to be at full retail.

That link has been around a while. I wonder when they will bring it down.

Hello,

I had exactly the same experience as Pagodeiro.When I tried to reorder at the a314.com site,they(a person by the name-nickname of Mickaelia Williams) told me to order at AD.I asked for an inmediate refund,which they did after a couple of e-mails.I suggested to put a disclaimer in their site,only one order per customer,or whatever was their policy, and they told me they will take the site down...This was in August 2011.

AD increased the A314 price to their customer base,claiming scarcity of key molecules,while keeping the old price at a secondary website,topping it out with a free Turn Up The Heat bottle,and shipping DHL Express International(72 hours from order to receiving the goodies in Europe) for 69+5$...End result:If you are a loyal AD customer who buys A314+Turn Up The Heat you pay 109+40+shipping vs 74$ if you are not...Their business model incentivates not being loyal with a 50% discount,and that is what they are getting,obviously.

Not to mention that they incentivate their customers to avoid any further research,since there is no development from research into final product,and the most demanded products,putatives,mixes,usually disappear for no-logical-reason.

To be fair,I have appreciated the quality of a few of their products-A314,CTTM2 and IS mainly-and their excellent service and fast delivery,but,as a customer,my feeling is that the company is run by really incompetent-cult like- people who confuse NLP with bullshit and mistake handling valid customer objections and requests with practicing rough anal sex with a drama queen.

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03-27-2012 9:07 AM

Now come on, you know Jasmin isn't in it for the money, but only to spread love and make the world a better place. Sarcastic hand sideLol

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