Are you guys really questioning LAL because they are having order-processing problems...AT THE MOMEMT.

Come on guys.

Man, I'm really curious what the old AM and LIIK must have been like for there to be such agreement on how much it sucks now. I still have both of my bottles from January without the fixed Androstenone or additive and it has been absolutely gold for me. I'm guessing the consensus is it's more of a social now and that seems to work with my body chemistry and my personality. The attraction, hits, phone numbers, make-out sessions, and lays have been so consistent that it's hard for me to try any of the other products I have. I wouldn't rule out AD just yet from my testing experiences.

I think this tread is a little silly but here's my opinion:

- LAL isn't dead, Gary is having a hard time with his payment processor and he needs to find a suitable replacement so he doesn't loose all his data.

- Androtics is still alive and still has good stuff like IS, Turn Up The Heat, IH, P96, P86, P83 and blah blah blah. They just fucked up #1 product (A314) and now it's crap. They also haven't put out a new product in years...low and behold I see "Raw Power", who knows might be good with their oil line.

- XS has good products but I have issues with their beta and artisan blends that have been duds (at least for me)...I see they have new blends called 'pencil thin mustache' 'engage' and 'teen spirit'. No thank you I'll pass on those. I think SteveO is making shit too complicated trying to come up with some new product giving it a chic name.

- Alpha Dream is struggling to gain back their credibility but I think they will eventually turn shit around. I was real disappointed in their handling with the none sourcing issue.

- HAX has the same products, nothing new.

- LPMP has a terrible website (navigation) and they seem to cater to women more.

- PT in my opinion is okay with their product line. I must be upfront I only tested AT and THU....still need to test GOA

- Love Scent isn't really a producer but they can't distribute LaCroy products anymore so that leaves them sort of fucked up in my opinion.

- Apex has great shit. What the fuck else is there to say...some dude like us said fuck this I want to make a great mix and boom gave us Core, M3X, Pretoria and Style among others.

As far as looking for the 'one' that will replace all other mones....that won't happen. Also look at your inventory and recall the best mones and combos that worked for you. Why abandon them when they clearly worked for you? Stop overthinking shit and just K.I.S.S.

Now I separate my mones from Sexual, Alpha, Social and from there I work on standalones and combos that work for me. I test for consistency and if I like it, I stick with it.

@ andromun

could never been said better, great review on each company current status and performance,

thank you,

(11-02-2016 4:40 PM)andromun Wrote:  - Androtics is still alive and still has good stuff like IS, Turn Up The Heat, IH, P96, P86, P83 and blah blah blah. They just fucked up #1 product (A314) and now it's crap. They also haven't put out a new product in years...low and behold I see "Raw Power", who knows might be good with their oil line.

Well I guess if you consider resurrecting an old product that was discontinued 8 or 9 years ago a new release then yeah Raw Power foots the bill, just like this little gem I've had and used ever so sparingly since around 2008.

(11-02-2016 5:57 PM)mark-in-dallas Wrote:  Well I guess if you consider resurrecting an old product that was discontinued 8 or 9 years ago a new release then yeah Raw Power foots the bill, just like this little gem I've had and used ever so sparingly since around 2008.

In your opinion, and assuming it still is the same exact formula that acts the same way, is it worth the buy?

I don't get why they never put Raw Power in their regular product line. It makes no sense.

(11-02-2016 5:57 PM)mark-in-dallas Wrote:  Well I guess if you consider resurrecting an old product that was discontinued 8 or 9 years ago a new release then yeah Raw Power foots the bill...

LOL, never knew this was anot old product! I thought it was new...looks like AD has new oil (or re-released) products for women as well.

You're a vaper mark? Looks like you have nice collection of hardware there

(11-02-2016 11:12 PM)SeekingSuccess Wrote:  You're a vaper mark? Looks like you have nice collection of hardware there

Yep, January will make 4 years that I've been smoke free after 38 years of smoking 1 1/2 - 2 packs of Marlborough Red 100's a day, and I do have a pretty good collection of vape hardware, but my go to's are my Reuleaux DNA 200 and Steam Crave Aromamizer Supreme tanks, then probably the Hohm Slice and Smok TFV8 and