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I take 200 mcg to very good effects ...

went out to be a hard hitting dose !

works with None ... Androsterone ...Androstadienone ..and Alpha Androstenol ...

Pago
Man I just can't get enough of this stuff. I'm already mixing up another sprayer, this time at 37.5mcg. Today I wore it with the new Glace. I'll post my full report over in the new Glace review thread, but all you really need to know is: Give heart

I've been abbreviating pregnenolone as nenolone, so it will easily remain differentiated from pregnanolone, but I'm thinking we could shorten that even more down to neno. Kinda cute, actually. Anybody object to neno?

I went over to the AD forum to read up on P104 and P78.

The reports on P104 didn't really sound anything like my experiences with neno. People reported ditzy airheadedness and laughter pretty consistently.

However, many of the P78 reports match my reports here very closely: someone called it "Instant Charisma" (didn't I say the same thing somewhere?); many reported increased sociability and personal magnetism, overall "good" feelings, mood elevation, emotional stability; one person even reported that P78 and IO made a dynamic pair! Most testing on P78 was at the 12-30mcg range, but a few reported results in the 50mcg range comparable to what I've been seeing with neno, and a couple went up as high as 200mcg without ill effects. The effects sounded very much like those that I've experienced. Several have also noted that P78 is a fun pheromone all on its own, much like neno.

Some people have reported that P78 made them horny. I haven't really experienced that with neno -- has anyone else here? But I have gotten some sensory-enhancement effects comparable to those reported by P78 users.

Based on similarities between my neno reports and P78 reports, I'm inclined to think that P78 is pregnenolone.

But we still need data from more testers before we can say for sure.

Johnny - can you say some more about what aspects of neno remind you of P104 and P78? I haven't used either of those putatives so I'm only going on reports, not direct comparison.
Well then ...

i had P78 as well and went up to high doses ... had it in 50mcg ...but this was one year past ... i liked it ..

sent an PM to Bubblebob and i hope he will respond tomorrow morning ... he's the expert on P78 as he uses it daily since years ...

I noticed as well that nenolone makes me a bit horny and so i see similarities to P78

I don't have P104 but talked to Johnny about it today on the phone and he said that he thinks that nolone is more similar to P104 !

So far this stuff is GOLD Heart

I vote for neno !

Pago
Damn dbot, you're really blazing a trail here!

I've never even heard of pregnAnolone, but I hope to give it a run. I did buy the LEF dot org version of pregnEnolone at only 50mg per cap. I should have it in EtOH by early next week.

I'm having trouble with the coffee filter, though. When I strain the rice powder out, alcohol goes everywhere. I may try some sterile gauze as a filter next time.

My 5mL of DHEA ended up being maybe 2mL after the coffee filter wicked the alcohol all over the place. lol. It's about 625mcg per spray right now. I'm slap out of bottles so that's next on my list.

I'm thinking about making process changes to see how that changes the chemical effects. For example, dissolve one one pill at room temp and another pill in the freezer. Just to see what happens.
Thanks alot you guys. This has been facinating to read.
(05-18-2011 6:13 PM)JAYCEE Wrote: [ -> ]I've never even heard of pregnAnolone, but I hope to give it a run.

That's one that Diane used to talk about a lot; sounded worth a try, but will be harder to get. And I look forward to calling it nano. Hopefully Alpha Dream will be able to source some for us when the time comes Sun bespectacled

(05-18-2011 6:13 PM)JAYCEE Wrote: [ -> ]I did buy the LEF dot org version of pregnEnolone at only 50mg per cap. I should have it in EtOH by early next week.

I'm having trouble with the coffee filter, though. When I strain the rice powder out, alcohol goes everywhere. I may try some sterile gauze as a filter next time.

Yeah, I had the same problem, and ended up losing a good amount of solution into the coffee filter. It doesn't matter that much given how cheap the materials are, but a better process is still desirable. There are two ways I've found to improve this:

The first is to cut out a smaller circle of coffee filter and bend it in a bit to form a cone that is just slightly larger than your funnel. You can use a piece of tape along the top edge to help it stay folded. Then pour very slowly and let it drain through.

The other way is to use cheesecloth instead. Push the cloth down into the funnel so that it forms a nice little cup, and again pour very slowly as it drains.

I don't think gauze would be fine enough to filter out the schmutz; at least not the gauze that I use... maybe there is some finer-grained gauze on the market.
(05-18-2011 5:34 PM)dbot Wrote: [ -> ]Man I just can't get enough of this stuff. I'm already mixing up another sprayer, this time at 37.5mcg. Today I wore it with the new Glace. I'll post my full report over in the new Glace review thread, but all you really need to know is: Give heart

I've been abbreviating pregnenolone as nenolone, so it will easily remain differentiated from pregnanolone, but I'm thinking we could shorten that even more down to neno. Kinda cute, actually. Anybody object to neno?

I went over to the AD forum to read up on P104 and P78.

The reports on P104 didn't really sound anything like my experiences with neno. People reported ditzy airheadedness and laughter pretty consistently.

However, many of the P78 reports match my reports here very closely: someone called it "Instant Charisma" (didn't I say the same thing somewhere?); many reported increased sociability and personal magnetism, overall "good" feelings, mood elevation, emotional stability; one person even reported that P78 and Instant Openness made a dynamic pair! Most testing on P78 was at the 12-30mcg range, but a few reported results in the 50mcg range comparable to what I've been seeing with neno, and a couple went up as high as 200mcg without ill effects. The effects sounded very much like those that I've experienced. Several have also noted that P78 is a fun pheromone all on its own, much like neno.

Some people have reported that P78 made them horny. I haven't really experienced that with neno -- has anyone else here? But I have gotten some sensory-enhancement effects comparable to those reported by P78 users.

Based on similarities between my neno reports and P78 reports, I'm inclined to think that P78 is pregnenolone.

But we still need data from more testers before we can say for sure.

Johnny - can you say some more about what aspects of neno remind you of P104 and P78? I haven't used either of those putatives so I'm only going on reports, not direct comparison.

I'm still in the testing phase.

First, I think neno concurs with none better as solo. Alpha Androstenol seems to damp the neno effects, P78 also. P78 is also sexual, need much less mcg, hits far better. Neno is for me more understated and also unconstant on strangers. I don't see by now the sexual effects on women and charisma and buddy effects on men, more like P104, if ever... Women I already know are really open, strong jabbering, relax, funny and teenage like with neno, but nothing exciting like P78. No honey effect with neno.

I test neno with 50-100mcg by now.


P78:

Works already with only 15mcg, with 30mcg it hits really fast and hard, but has also side-effects.. Even higher the dose 30mcg+, even catchier. It's charisma in the bottle but it works much better with none and TAC or P96 as None and also P78 buffers. P78 is tricky, it's also really sexual (deep) for women. (Read also Dianes P78 post at AD, sexual better as Methoxyestratetraenone and I see it also). Guys loves you, charisma, buddy, buddy effects. Charisma and sexual effects on women. All in all also a really humor booster, everything is laughter... Strange golden eyes effects on women and men. You can really see this golden eyes on them. Women also like to sniff of P78. Alpha Androstenol damp the P78 effect. Self effects are great but also becomes weaker at times, also the honey effect. Own focus is on me. Anti-anxiety. P78 don't relax women that much, it's exciting!

P104

First, read also the women thread at AD and the first posts as P104 comes out in the male thread.

Works with 30mcg , better with 50mcg and even higher, unconstant attraction effects, more on women, but if it hits it hits hard, stare effects, strong hypnotic effects. Eyes seems bigger, more glance. Sensuality boost and connection. Bonding effect on women, works best on women you already knows. Men reacts first on your behavior (jokes). Own focus is on everything. Anti-anxiety effects. Strong humor booster. P104 smells similar to neno.

Mood elevating are both.
I ask me, if P104 is neno (it's difficult to say) why brought AD neno so late out? I mean it's cheap and noted. That would speak for P78. But it's far more effective.

Dbot, how are the effects of neno with 37,5mcg by comparison to 50-100mcg?
(05-18-2011 5:34 PM)dbot Wrote: [ -> ]But I have gotten some sensory-enhancement effects comparable to those reported by P78 users.

I have it really strong, almost unbearable with P76+P78+P93. Senory and incredible horny.
(05-19-2011 11:25 AM)JohnnyHard Wrote: [ -> ]I ask me, if P104 is neno (it's difficult to say) why brought AD neno so late out? I mean it's cheap and noted. That would speak for P78. But it's far more effective.

I was thinking the same thing about P78 vs P104; it would make sense for AD to experiment with neno early on, since it's a pretty obvious choice for putative.

And we know that tacitus was experimenting with it back in 2005/2006 and was communicating his results privately to Michael Harris at that time. There are a few molecules that if you read through tacitus' old posts on the AD forum, you can see the same descriptors being transitioned from chemical names to putative labels (especially for the dienols). I like his description of neno as being a signal of health and wealth, a kind of "metabolic cash to burn" because it is right at the top of the metabolic chain to sex hormones. This pheromone seems to tell the wearer and everyone around them that everything is okay, life is charmed Sun bespectacled

But from what you're saying it sounds like I need to dig a little deeper over there to find P104 reports.

I'm not clear -- are you saying that P78 is far more effective, or that neno is?

(05-19-2011 11:25 AM)JohnnyHard Wrote: [ -> ]Dbot, how are the effects of neno with 37,5mcg by comparison to 50-100mcg?


37.5 is an okay dose, especially with a little Alpha Androstenol. It gives a feeling of well-being, social approachability, enjoyment. But my sweet spot seems to be around 75mcg. With 37.5mcg/spray, I can get to 75 with just two sprays instead of 3. I'm really going through this stuff fast! I've never liked a pheromone this much before!

It sounds like the effects of neno are a little less pronounced for you than for me, especially the way it interacts with Alpha Androstenol. You said Alpha Androstenol dampens the effect of neno? For me neno+Alpha Androstenol makes people glue themselves to me and just be soo happy to be talking with me.

Could just be individual differences, or maybe we are using different brands with different levels of purity? Different carriers/diffusion rates?
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