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I'm not even sure how much I used... all I remembered was that dbot had used significant amounts of it with no problems so I thought my night couldn't get any worse, I dropped it wherever I thought me and my target would be exposed.

Wiserd, I haven't found any set ratio where a-doc and neno just do not work with eachother. I'm probably not tuned in enough just yet, I am getting better, but not enough to notice a few mcg difference in reaction.
(03-15-2013 9:46 AM)phertest Wrote: [ -> ]Wiserd, I haven't found any set ratio where a-doc and neno just do not work with eachother. I'm probably not tuned in enough just yet, I am getting better, but not enough to notice a few mcg difference in reaction.

Are you saying you don't notice an interaction (a-doc making you sleepy, neno preventing that) or that you don't know the ratio where that kicks in?
(02-09-2012 12:38 PM)wiserd Wrote: [ -> ]this is one of the dangers of trying to figure out how a putative pheromone will behave based on what it does in the body, I suppose.

It's a question of how it is applied. Certain studies on pheromone molecules (not as a pheromone) apply them directly on the purported activation site in the brain. When you take it orally, it goes through several stages in the digestive system. I believe each molecule has it's particularities, like neno being turned into neno-S.

Now about neno and a-doc, we have a conceptual conflict here, because one molecule seems to stimulate and the other one, to relax. Phertest, whatever the dose you're using it, try and multiply it times 2 or times 3, and see the mechanism it develops. Several molecules will only speak of their functions on higher doses. Other specific molecules, on really small doses and combined with other molecules.

That's my humble opinion.
Fly so hi, I've gone through zerosix's journal and he mentions that up to 7.5 mcg of a-doc creates a disinhibiting effect, which IS true. People display their emotions with you much more honestly instead of having that friendly surface level barrier... mind you, I dropped on my shirt, so I used a little more to help with diffusion.

I'm just not sure of the ratios where they start cancelling eachother out instead of having a multiplying effect... which it SEEMS to do so far (the disinhibition, then the happy, giddy feelings neno produces). I'm also very interested in what ratio neno seems to counter Androstadienone depression... sounds like an absolutely BOMB idea to mix these together into a powerful comfort/happiness mix, then add in a few alphas and and attraction molecules later.
Yup, this was way before I found out about it's potency. By the way my A-THDOC evaporated and also ate through the 10 bottle. Is this common?
Hey guys,

I've been reading a bit about pregnenolone and have bought myself some supplies to i can desolve raw materials and make it into a spray. Now pregnenolone doesn't seem to be legaly available here in Belgium. (its on the hormone list and can only be bought if a dokter give you a prescription). So i'll have to order it from outside of Belgium.

I've been looking for sources and have seen prices ranging from:

25 $ for 60x50mg capsulles (supplement)
135$ for 50mg powder form
20$ for 20 grams of powder
etc..

Now my question is, how can the supplements contain 50mg x 60 for only 25$ while another company sells 50mg of powder for 135$. What's the difference? Is there a difference in quality or are they talking about a diffirent form of pregnenolone. Is there actually 50mg of pregnenolone in the supplement capsules??? What are the pro's vs con's from using a supplement product vs powder form. What would be a good product to use to make the neno spray?

Also seeing the dosage for use is about 60-100 mcg, you wont need very much of it..

Cheers,

Buzzy
I believe some vendors sell pure powder with no fillers that is usually found in capsules, but that varies from seller to seller. Some others seller's neno may have different effects. Pheromone wise, I've only tried Alpha Dreams' though I'm considering a DIY also...It does bring attention to the wearer as noted. It also seems to give me a boner every time I've use it, which should be, but is not so awesome when you're wearing light colored skinny jeans. Anyone get this also with Alpha dream's Neno?

Does this have a distinct scent to some people? I can't really smell it. I was using 5 mcg split behind both ears one day to work and I didn't wear any cover scent that day either. I remember a former co-worker from another job hugging me goodbye as I was leaving for my shift. She smelt my app point and commented on how amazing I smelt.
(03-16-2013 5:01 AM)zerosix85 Wrote: [ -> ]I believe some vendors sell pure powder with no fillers that is usually found in capsules, but that varies from seller to seller. Some others seller's neno may have different effects. Pheromone wise, I've only tried Alpha Dreams' though I'm considering a DIY also...It does bring attention to the wearer as noted. It also seems to give me a boner every time I've use it, which should be, but is not so awesome when you're wearing light colored skinny jeans. Anyone get this also with Alpha dream's Neno?

Does this have a distinct scent to some people? I can't really smell it. I was using 5 mcg split behind both ears one day to work and I didn't wear any cover scent that day either. I remember a former co-worker from another job hugging me goodbye as I was leaving for my shift. She smelt my app point and commented on how amazing I smelt.


Interesting. Yeah, the stuff which is sold commercially is dirt cheap and works fine. I sometimes wonder if tiny amounts of the "insoluble" magnesium stearate might dissolve and act as a fixative, similar to monolaurin. But I'm guessing you could go with the cheapest stuff you could find and still do well. I'm loving a fraction of an mcg application with a little extra nols added to re-balance the mix. I've tried Alpha Dreams neno and DIY (can't remember the specific brand, offhand.) But I never tried neno in small doses with AD. And I really hate how large doses of neno will interfere with a commercial product. So it wasn't really a side by side comparison. Both seemed close enough for my dull perception. In any case, you might as well get a cheap supplement and have an infinite supply of the stuff. The food grade stuff won't have the same issues with headaches from impurities that many mones have. At least that's been my experience. So purity isn't as much of an issue as it would be with other molecules.
(03-15-2013 8:52 PM)phertest Wrote: [ -> ]I'm just not sure of the ratios where they start cancelling eachother out instead of having a multiplying effect... which it SEEMS to do so far (the disinhibition, then the happy, giddy feelings neno produces).

Yes, I completely agree that in this scenario the ratios are very important. I would try 3/1, 2/2, 1/3 and go from there.
(03-16-2013 12:59 AM)zerosix85 Wrote: [ -> ]Yup, this was way before I found out about it's potency. By the way my A-THDOC evaporated and also ate through the 10 bottle. Is this common?

Was it a brown bottle from alpha dreams?

Ive had several ml of Beta Androstenol and none evaporate on me. I thought it was me not screwing the dropper on tight enough. Hell with the Beta Androstenol i might have done that.

Did your bottle have rubber get eaten away? I heard copulins can wreak havoc on rubber so if neno did that id like to hear more about it.
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