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RE: what social mone to mix with AV
11-08-2011 10:27 PM

I'm thinking a shot of DHEA may be able to tame the aggression of AV while still preserving its attractive properties. I'll give this a try as soon as I can.
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RE: what social mone to mix with AV
11-09-2011 1:20 AM

(11-08-2011 10:27 PM)dbot Wrote:  I'm thinking a shot of DHEA may be able to tame the aggression of AV while still preserving its attractive properties. I'll give this a try as soon as I can.
I'm waiting for the RESULT .
BTW , this is what Garry told me about OD weeks ago when I asked him about the dosage of none in AV . However , I can't believe it.

"Hello,Sorry that information is classified. You're not going to overdose because the more androstenone you apply the more buffering social pheromones that are included in the formula are applied."

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RE: what social mone to mix with AV
11-09-2011 1:23 AM

Heh that's pretty funny actually. Seems like the consensus around here is that it's pretty easy to OD on AV, but maybe higher doses are worth a try...
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RE: what social mone to mix with AV
11-09-2011 2:36 AM

I'm going to have to test Gary's theory out on this AV. Hopefully I don't get my ass kicked.

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RE: what social mone to mix with AV
11-09-2011 3:08 AM

If i dose a LOT of AV i usually see superb attraction and either intimidation to girls that are not comfortable around me or aggression from girls that know me longer. That is not necessarily a bad thing. If i apply less than that, i also get good attraction, but still no comfort.

If you apply very much AV and already got comfort with a girl, IMO the aggression you can see is a form of over attraction. She'll want you to be taken by you, while she resists the big evil alpha guy. At least that's the interpretation i'd apply from some very famous German Alpha-male/Relationship advice/PUA-book.

Anyways it depends on what you want. If you want to convert a long time female friend into a girlfriend and turn her on, AV is for you. If you want to build comfort while keeping sexual tension, like in a club, you could fine tune it with some more socials.

IMO Garry's quote about the non-possibility of AV overdose isn't that wrong. Sure, you can get some aggression from AV, but IMO aggression is also a natural part of very high sexual tension. Also i haven't experienced ghosting with AV quite yet.

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RE: what social mone to mix with AV
11-09-2011 4:03 AM

This is complete version of what Garry sent to me :

Quote:Hello,

Sorry that information is classified. You're not going to overdose because
the more androstenone you apply the more buffering social pheromones that
are included in the formula are applied.

Bellow is an excerpt from an email I sent in the past related to overdosing.
It is directed towards an American and dealing with American women but some
of the analogy should be cross cultural.

-------------------------------->
I don't believe that androstenone overdosing is working the way people think
it is. I have found the problem is not too much pheromones but too little
social skill for the pheromone level. Androstenone is the one that usually
gets the bad rap because it is the most potent alpha pheromone. I have
competitors who believe that androstenone is actually a female repellent
because of a study that has shown that androstenone actually raises cortisol
levels in women's blood when they smell it. Cortisol is a stress hormone.
So, they think that if androstenone stresses women, then it must repel
women. Nice guys quickly abandon the androstenone after hearing this. In
fact you would not believe the number of nice guys who write me trying to
figure out why their favorite girl that they hoped to someday have sex with,
(Or worse, their wife or girlfriend.) takes off with a drug addicted
alcoholic partier. They usually give a long list of all the nice things that
they have done and are still doing for the wayward female and they just
don't understand why what has happened has happened.

Now if high testosterone creates high androstenone and androstenone stresses
women, what is nature thinking? Guess what the fastest way for a woman to
lower high cortisol level is? You ready? The fastest way to drop cortisol
levels for a woman, is to have sex! Being nice all the time does not raise
Cortisol, girls hanging with bad boys, riding motorcycles, racing fast cars,
getting drunk, partying and getting into fights making a little more sense
now? Fun, fun, fun. No androstenone, no fire, no fire, no point!

However, women walk a fine line. They like the excitement but they don't
want to be in too much danger. (Women will follow you into any amount of
danger as long as you make them feel that they are safe with you. However,
if you look like you may be dangerous to them, they will not even be caught
looking at you.) So, a guy could have high androstenone but if he does not
have social skill as well, he is just scary. Many shy guys buy the
pheromones and wear them without playing the part that the pheromones are
casting them in. Pheromones say you are confident outgoing, hyper sexual and
experienced. Then these guys sit staring at women's breast out of the side
of their hoodys, while frowning and scowling, then decide they overdosed on
the pheromones because everyone was freaked out by them. Alpha pheromones
dictate an alpha attitude. Women are freaked out by incongruence, that is
why they are always testing guys. They need to be sure he is what he appears
to be before they commit themselves to anything.

If your pheromones are saying you are an amazing alpha leader, but your body
language and the way you act/react (Or the way your friends are treating
you) is saying you're not, then you will be incongruent. Women look for
incongruence because men have been trying to trick them for sex for as long
as humans have existed by pretending to be more than they are.

For millions of years if a woman made the mistake of trusting a man who was
not being honest, it could cost her with her life and possibly the life of
her child should she become pregnant, and because of this danger they have
become very good at subconsciously and consciously at finding the chinks in
your armor. Making sure you are what you appear to be.

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I Hope that helps.

Thank you,
Garry Nelson

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Post: #37
RE: what social mone to mix with AV
11-09-2011 5:20 AM

I love Gary's mails! Also i have to agree with him from my personal experiences. The times i was phero-ghosting were the times i wasn't congruent with my phero signature. For example when being in a bad mood, or tired.

Quote:I have competitors who believe that androstenone is actually a female repellent because of a study that has shown that androstenone actually raises cortisol levels in women's blood when they smell it.
Guess he was talking about jvkohl P

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11-09-2011 9:51 AM

Smart guy, that Garry. Thanks for posting his response, Hamed.
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RE: what social mone to mix with AV
12-06-2011 12:35 PM

(11-08-2011 10:24 PM)dodge_demon Wrote:  Idk, I get what this forum refers to as pheromon hits, without chems...so maybe the sience behind mones is real. let's be honest, if you got to have game for mones to work, then why use chemicals in the first place. I'm guilty myself, we all want more power and control, but are pharamones the trick? I bought 2 and didn't notice more activity than usual.

dodge, I've had this very thought myself. I ain't a bad looking guy, and with my studies in "social psychology", I've been doing much better in getting what I want (whatever that may be at the time.) So you ask, why even bother with that? But to me, it comes down to one of the truest cliches ever espoused:

"ALL is fair in love and war."

And when you think about it, the "playing field" ain't never been even. Women for millenia have been putting on their make-up (war paint), applyin their perfumes (chemical warfare), playing coy/coquettish (battle tactics) all just to get their man/relationship/provider (go hunting to win the war). And what do we men do now that we can't just bash em over the head and drag em back to the cave? "Uh, hi. You're cute."

So to me, since the reality is that women are and have always been the choosers...it's my responsibility to learn the game/social skill and use whatever methods I have available to win the battles that I undertake. If pheromones can help me achieve that, I'll glean the knowledge necessary to make an informed choice and tactically apply the tools to make it happen.

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12-06-2011 12:44 PM

(12-06-2011 12:35 PM)Grasshopper Wrote:  "ALL is fair in love and war."


Haha when i introduced my friend to mones i asked him how he felt about that statement. Had him read the description of Androstadienone from the book The Female Brain.

The playing field has never been level and most of us guys have been fed the wrong information about women from day one.

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