where can I get reagent grade Methoxyestratetraenone ?

I have a full titration .001 capable set and want to work with high concentration mixes.


Any help is appericiated

Lovescent just seems to have est

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MeoEst is also known as 1, 3, 5(10), 7-ESTRATETRAEN-3-OL-17-ONE or 3-methoxy-1,3,5(10),7-estratetraen-17-one.

You can buy it -

Here: http://www.steraloids.com/CompoundDetail...=E0600-000

Here: http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/Prod...KEY&F=SPEC

or any of the other suppliers listed on this page at the bottom:

http://www.chemicalbook.com/ChemicalProd...=CB1150607

Diane

Whew Great finds Diane, you go girl. I remember you putting in a ton of work researching that one and what it was exactly.

I may not like Meo Est much but its good to have alternatives for places to obtain it for those who do like it.

Tisha

Thanks so much, This is going to help a LOT

"Equilin - Substance Summary (SID 24869978)

An estrogenic steroid produced by HORSES. It has a total of four double bonds in the A- and B-ring. High concentration of euilin is found in the URINE of pregnant mares."


... this same Equilin that love-scent sells?

(08-25-2009 12:31 PM)djAndarial Wrote:  "Equilin - Substance Summary (SID 24869978)

An estrogenic steroid produced by HORSES. It has a total of four double bonds in the A- and B-ring. High concentration of euilin is found in the URINE of pregnant mares."


... this same Equilin that love-scent sells?

I don't know what Equillin Love Scent sells or whether other equillins have the same effects as Methoxyestratetraenone . Also, be aware that the equillin that Love Scent sells is dissolved in methanol, which I wouldn't be too quick to start inhaling. It's pretty toxic.

I do want to point out that equillin and other conjugated estrogens from horses are what are in Premarin (pregnant-mare-urine) which has been prescribed for hormone replacement in menopausal women since the 1940's. And Equillin is the main active estrogen in Premarin.

http://www.medicinenet.com/estrogens_con...rticle.htm

Quote:Conjugated estrogens are a mixture of several different estrogens (estrogen salts) that are derived from natural sources and blended to the approximate composition of estrogens in the urine of pregnant mares. The main components are sodium estrone sulphate and sodium equilin sulfate.

Equillin is not found naturally in healthy humans, and there are some questions about its safety profile in HRT use.

Diane

I am not a doctor and Diane knows a hell of a lot more on the Bio chem side of things then I do. I will say I believe she is correct and that Meo est is in fact equillin. I believe it is bioidentical though.

People get scared and confused when it comes to hormones and not understanding exactly how synthetic commercial pheromones are derived.

Premarin is equillin made from mares urine and used as a replacement therapy for menopausal women and found to be dangerous for women to use. Its a drug

Now with pheromones and many drugs sold currently they are now synthesized from natural substances.
These are called Bio Identical hormones which are far less dangerous then regular synthesized hormones. You need to be very careful when buying bulk chemicals from the big labs that you get he right ones. Some one like androtics knows the difference and deals with labs that sell the bio-identical form. This is why they tell you its organic and why its so hard for them to get certain molecules.

I know this is wiki but I am to lazy to look it all up in other publications

Quote:The term "bioidentical" denotes hormones that are chemically synthesized so as to be identical to the endogenous (natural) hormones of the human body: estradiol, estrone, estriol, progesterone, and testosterone. Because bioidentical hormones are natural, they are not patentable. Small studies have indicated that these supplemental bioidentical synthetic hormones are safer than, and as effective as, non-identical (patentable) synthetic or animal hormones, and the FDA has permitted the marketing of approved bioidentical hormones in standardized formulations. However large trials to conclusively establish the apparent advantages of bioidentical hormones have yet to be conducted. Since the funding for costly large-scale studies is normally advanced in prospect of anticipated large profits from the resulting patent, it is doubtful such trials will ever be conducted unless through governmental financing.

http://www.wikidoc.org/index.php/Bioiden...nt_therapy

I cant say where Love Scent gets there's, I dont know. But certain putatives from androtics such as meo est are bioidentical. At least this is what they have always indicated to me.

I know from my days as a member over at Love Scent forum when MH, Jasmin, Bruce and Chris from pharmacon were all members there, there was a big debate about equillin. Chris endorsed it and the others didn't saying its was a "mutantigenic cancerous" substance produced by mares. This was probably before everyone realized that the compounds that makes up equillin could be derived naturally from yams and soy. This is also what caused the beginning of the war between some of the top players in the companies mentioned. A year or so later Love Scent had equillin on its shelves and Androtics released Meo EST.


Tisha

This is very good information, however I am still fairly green on some of the terms mentioned, a good question for me to ask whould be the difference between what Androtics markets as Methoxyestratetraenone and EST.

What is the big difference on these substances.

(08-26-2009 8:47 AM)djAndarial Wrote:  This is very good information, however I am still fairly green on some of the terms mentioned, a good question for me to ask whould be the difference between what Androtics markets as Methoxyestratetraenone and EST.

What is the big difference on these substances.

Both are estrogen derivatives.

EST is a weak estrogen with little to no estrogenic activity... it won't make you fat. But it won't do much for you with women, either. It's pheromonal characteristics are that it strongly and positively affects heterosexual men and homosexual women (as shown in brain imaging studies upon exposure). It is truly a PHEmale pHERomone. However, you may get some happy self effects from it.

Equilin is Hydroxy-Est. Methoxy-Est (Methoxyestratetraenone ) is an Equilin analog derivative. It is a weak to moderate estrogenic substance. It makes some women feel good, but the effects may be better seen when women wear it and are in closer proximity to the source than if it is worn by you. It may absorb through the skin, or it may not. If you wear it and it absorbs through the skin it could potentially cause you some minor weight gain and minor loss of muscle tissue. On the other hand, most meo-estrones have shown some anti-tumorogenic properties, so it could also be tumor suppressive.

About the vivid dreaming associated with this pheromone... I'm not sure if the following is relevant or not. But it may be.

Even though Equilin is classified as a weak to moderate estrogen, it has a strong binding affinity for neurologic tissue in the cerebral cortex. Equilin induces significant increases in cortical nerve cell growth, with significant increases the growth of neurons in the frontal, temporal, and occipital regions of the brain. I don't know if Methoxyestratetraenone does the same or not.

tp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9344546

Diane

finally information on what I have wanted for some time. Thank you so much diane