Hi everybody,

I took a little time before posting my intro as I first wanted to read many posts and theories about pheromones here, on this great (as unbiased forum).

I now see a little bit more the general picture. I have already received some samples from a company that is very much appreciated here and I intend to order soon bigger bottles.

But it's true, I am a little bit overwhelmed by all the information I have found which tend to make me think that using pheromones properly (quantity, placement on the skin, mix of brands) seems to be more an art than a science.

For example, if I have an headache, I know that 2 pills of the brand X will in 90% of cases ease it but with pheromones, there are so many different products even at a single seller’s shop, that the choice is not obvious.

Let's say (and this is just an example as I didn't do the experiment, I just read that the following example can happen) I want to enhance my seduction impact, I decide to use Nude on a Saturday night. The night is good and I feel more social as girls around me and I even pick up one nice and cute one. Phero seem to have produced their effects.

One week later, I still use the same Nude phero, same amount and yet, people seem to ignore me...girls aren't especially social and I can’t find out what happened…what changed between one week ago and tonight

So same product and different results within the life of the same person. This is what I find confusing right now. I understand that pheromones aren't magical, they only give a signal of a certain personality. But how can we find out if this brand or this brand really work or not.

The way to apply is not obvious too : some use 1 phero other mixes a few together...people don't always use the same quantity…

Plus I read that as people get older they need more Androstenone. As I am close to my 40s I suppose I should take that in consideration, right ?

I hope I haven’t been too long. I suppose too that those questions are quite common so any help or hints would be very much appreciated. I want to give Pheromones a long time try before reaching a conclusion so I hope I’ll have something good to report here J

I secretly wish they really work…

Cheers.

Welcome!!!

Hey there

Welcome to Pherotruth

I know it can be overwhelming. It takes time to really get used to get to know pheromones. You got to just sort of jump in and after a while it just clicks and you get it.

Be happy though because way back when I started out there were no forums to help explain things and very little info on pheromones. Its a growing science still.

Quote:Let's say (and this is just an example as I didn't do the experiment, I just read that the following example can happen) I want to enhance my seduction impact, I decide to use Nude on a Saturday night. The night is good and I feel more social as girls around me and I even pick up one nice and cute one. Pheromone seem to have produced their effects.

One week later, I still use the same Nude Pheromone, same amount and yet, people seem to ignore me...girls aren't especially social and I can’t find out what happened…what changed between one week ago and tonight

So same product and different results within the life of the same person. This is what I find confusing right now. I understand that pheromones aren't magical, they only give a signal of a certain personality. But how can we find out if this brand or this brand really work or not.

Well it would depend on some other factors. If you were wearing a Androstenone product all week it could be what they call the OD effect.
Androstenone is a sticky molecule and can build up.

Women at the club could be in a certain part of there cycles. During ovulation women respond better to Androstenone. They still respond all month but there is a difference.

The environment could be different. Suppose the first week it was hot as hell and the second they had the AC blasting and its was colder. You could be diffusing slower.

It could be any number of things. The way to tell if a product is doing anything is repeated testing at different dosages. Trying to replicate results. If 75% of the time you see some reactions then its safe to say it works. You can chock the other 25% up to human nature. People are just not in the same mood or frame of mind all the time.

Its good to keep a little journal and right down things you think may be pertinent. Hits, type of hits, environmental conditions stuff like that.

Quote:The way to apply is not obvious too : some use 1 Pheromone other mixes a few together...people don't always use the same quantity…

That's just personal preference really. If its a actual mix like "Nude" or ....... lets say Scent of Eros you dont have to layer with other products if you dont want to. Mixes are stand alones. People like to do it because they are always looking for the perfect mix or they are looking to evoke certain feelings.

When you see us talking about putatives or chem set mones, these are not mixes. They are single molecules. Usually you layer these into your own personal mix.

Quote:Plus I read that as people get older they need more Androstenone. As I am close to my 40s I suppose I should take that in consideration, right ?

Yes as men age there testosterone levels decline, so do some of the other androgen's in the body. Androstenone and some other molecules are derived from testosterone so you put off less of the sexual mating pheromones.

It happens to women as well. We make less copulins as we age.

Quote:I hope I haven’t been too long. I suppose too that those questions are quite common so any help or hints would be very much appreciated. I want to give Pheromones a long time try before reaching a conclusion so I hope I’ll have something good to report here J

Nope jump right in and ask all the questions you want. We love answering them and helping people have a better understanding for the products and companies out there.

Tisha

Thank you so much for your answer Tisha

I appreciate the friendship that goes among members of this Forum.

To go back to my experimentations and as I like to test intensively with a proper method, I am thinking about buying only 2 pheromones. This is not very original but 1) one for the office where I manage people but where also people don't respect me as much as I would like (I tend to be too friendly with people though they don't consider me as weak) and 2) one for seduction.

My choices would be Wolf (for the office as it seems similar to A314, I just don't really like the smell) and maybe Nude for the exterior social events or dates (I like the fragrance also of possess).

- does a pheromone take a few days before starting to produce effects on other people or is it instant ?

- To begin with, with how much quantity should I start to have a better test of the efficiency ? I suppose I start with 2 drops/rolls and maybe increase one week later ?

- I read somewhere that the spot where we apply the pheromones on the body can be different from one person to another and hence, have different results if not placed on the right spot. Is that true ?

- If in the same day I go to work (maybe 3 drops everyday on the neck and wrist) and I go out in the evening. I am used to taking showers so won't there be a counter reaction between the pheromones as in the evening I put 3 drops of Nude ?

I think that's all for now but I feel very excited to do those experiments. I am so interested in interactions between people and how it works (body language, structure of language, etc.) so this is a new area of exploration for me.

Quote: does a pheromone take a few days before starting to produce effects on other people or is it instant ?

I have noticed that when worn around those close to us it takes repeated exposure. They have preconceived notions about us so some reprogramming or resignaling needs to take place. Took about a week for my husband to respond.

Casual acquaintances and strangers react pretty much within a few minutes of being exposed but it can build. At first it may seem just real subtle and the longer they are exposed the stronger the hit becomes

Quote:- To begin with, with how much quantity should I start to have a better test of the efficiency ? I suppose I start with 2 drops/rolls and maybe increase one week later ?

Thats about right to start. Its a little tougher to gage dose with the roll ons. Depending how long the roll you apply is you could have a lot on or a little. Get in the habit of applying it in 2 inch rolls and always apply that way to help you gage better. This way you can call one 2 inch roll 1 dose and work from there. If you dont see results after a few days you can increase. I generally dont wait a full week.

Quote:- I read somewhere that the spot where we apply the pheromones on the body can be different from one person to another and hence, have different results if not placed on the right spot. Is that true ?

Yes, we all are built different and our bodies heat up differently. Heat aids in diffusion of the pheromones. Without diffusion you have nothing. People would need to walk right up and put their nose right to the application spot. With oils the pulse points are best usually. Along the hair line heats up well since we lose most our heat from our heads. The only place I would not suggest is the pits and groin due to sensitivity and the higher concentration of bacteria in these regions which convert the mones to BO really fast.

Quote:- If in the same day I go to work (maybe 3 drops everyday on the neck and wrist) and I go out in the evening. I am used to taking showers so won't there be a counter reaction between the pheromones as in the evening I put 3 drops of Nude ?

No you should be fine. Oils last up to 12 hours and alcohol based last about 4 to 5 so by the time you go out again they will be gone especially if you showered. If you unsure though or been wearing lots of Androstenone then just out some witch hazel on a cotton ball and rub over application points. That will create a clean slate.

Quote:I think that's all for now but I feel very excited to do those experiments. I am so interested in interactions between people and how it works (body language, structure of language, etc.) so this is a new area of exploration for me.

It really can be loads of fun. My advice to you is have patience though. Pay attention now to how people behave around you. Body language, mannerisms and such. This will make it easier to see changes when your wearing them. All hits are not created equal. There are days when mones just increase the general atmosphere and days when you get blatant hits. Thats just the nature of the beast but your looking for any change big or small that consistantly happens when your wearing them.

I use a lot of the androtic products because alcohol hit harder and faster then oils. Dont get me wrong I love oils to. Instant Shine is one of my favorites and one day it can just make everyone warm friendly and upbeat and the next it can draw people to me like bee's to honey. Both reactions indicate the product is working there is just a range of reactions that are similar in nature but at different levels between subtle and blatant.

Tisha

Hi cratoui, welcome to PheroTruth!

Tisha has given already you some great advice, and I really don't have anything to add to it.

You have come to the right place for unbiased information and reports though, as we are not affiliated with any company and have nothing to gain by recommending one product over anotherr.

I look forward to reading about your pheromone fueled experiences.

Thank you all for your warm welcome and tips, I appreciate.

I have only been using pheromones for 3 days so I can't give any feedback yet.

during the day, Wolf, 3 drops...
yesterday evening : Lucky 7, 3 drops (I think I got a good interaction with a girl but as I was also in a very social mood, I can't tell what really made the difference).

As I have a shirt and a tie, I place one drop between each ear (I guess it produces enough heat, thanks Tisha for the advice) and 1 at the base of my throat. I'll also try the inside part of the elbow but I am afraid the product melts into the shirt.

Hi Cratoui, Welcome to Pherotruth! Yep more art than science...pheromones are about personal expression just like art. Take your time, learn the palette (paint metaphor), or scale (music) and do what makes you happy! I don't mean that pheromones will make you happy but that knowing you have the freedom to express yourself with them can be a fun thing. It's like finger painting or being able to strum a few licks on a guitar. Enjoy and know we are glad you are here.

Hi cratoui, welcome at our place! :good3:

I think Nude have a lower none ratio as Nude Alpha. More social than sexual...

I read you used 2 drops/2 inch Nude, for example I used 4-5 inch Possess Alpha, that's much more and it have a higher none dose. Don't forget that oil products are much more effective by warm weather and it's also better to rub the oil mones.

Thanks for the advice JohnnyHard. For the moment, I am still experimenting but haven't seen any change is other people's behavior. I am a very social person so I think I would notice something, even small, if the Pheromones I am giving a try had an impact.

But once again, it is too soon to conclude.

By the way, how do I know if a phero is an oil or not ?