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Why not civetol?
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RE: Why not civetol?
10-24-2016 10:33 PM

Death by 1000 paper cuts............... is still death.

To be fair, humans subject themselves to different types of "stress" on a daily basis.......it's really all about what each of us finds subjectively tolerable to stay "healthy". Just take a look around and notice how many people have large bags under their eyes.........a possible symptom of food allergies or compromised thyroid function. (hint: look at men, as women all cover them with makeup)

Pheromones themselves are probably not all that "healthy" in the long run, but we all weigh the risk/rewards.

As for AM.........I don't trust AD to keep a close eye on their ingredients, as they've screwed up too many times before. Trust........but verify.

But all things considered, it's probably fairly benign by modern "health" standards..........just not sure if we're grading on a curve.Smoke

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RE: Why not civetol?
10-25-2016 6:11 AM

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RE: Why not civetol?
10-25-2016 6:38 AM

What are the causes of death? That is where this thread has gone. Who knows?
Is it environmental? Internal? Inescapable fate?

So funny. An older man that I know recently died at age 68 of heart failure. He only ate fish and chicken. He worked out/exercised. He was a great swimmer. He took vitamins and mineral supplements. He even brought a PH balancer for his water. In comparison another man that I know smoked since he was 16 years old. Never worked out. Ate pork and burgers and red meat (cooked). He lived to be 74.

Death comes for all.

So back to the point of this discussion. This is from the OP:

(10-19-2016 5:52 PM)wiserd Wrote:  it seems like civetol would be an interesting phero. ... thoughts?


I don't see why Civitol would not be a candidate for testing. It doesn't look like something that is being synthesized though. Knowing the perfume industry I would think that Civitol has already been researched and found to not be significant.

I'm just assuming that though because the commercial perfume industry has been using musk for at least 100 years.
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10-25-2016 6:56 AM

Say a person were to test, what other ingredients would be good candidates for synergy or enhancement for this? Just guessing, I don't expect a concrete answer. Just curous what people think.

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RE: Why not civetol?
10-25-2016 10:10 AM

(10-25-2016 6:56 AM)Androcles Wrote:  Say a person were to test, what other ingredients would be good candidates for synergy or enhancement for this? Just guessing, I don't expect a concrete answer. Just curous what people think.

Well, think of it this way; civetone is to androstenone as civetol is to the androstenols.

In a perfect world, it'd either be a standalone social or a buffer for something else.

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(10-25-2016 2:23 PM)Arsenic Wrote:  This Paradox guy has me fucked up

Um dude, your name is Arsenic and your handle is the angel of death. lol
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(10-25-2016 2:43 PM)Paradox Wrote:  Um dude, your name is Arsenic and your handle is the angel of death. lol

You say that like it's a bad thing, sexy version of Daniel Radcliffe ;)

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RE: Why not civetol?
10-26-2016 4:13 AM

The health aspects of synthetic musks are studied intensely by various nationla agnecies as well as independent facilities and industry sponsored research.
There is much financial interest at stake since musks are a mass product used in so many products and huge corporations depend on them being allowed.
The reesearch is controversial but it is clear that some musks will accumulate in the body. The industry is creating and researching degradable musks for quite some time becuase they are aware that legislationm might someday ban huge parts of their repertoire - while this is not likely it is a wise contingency. Velvione is such a newer, degradbale musk.

Everyone truly interested in the topic will find a vast amount of papers and studies. Aromachemicals, natural and synthetic ones, will see lots of medical applications in the next 2 decades, that much is clear. If you can use google patents, you'll get a good idea of what is to come, and that does not mean the old "pherin" stuff... Apparently no vendor truly researches the field because there are a handful of substances out there, ready to buy and use, some even cheap and unrestricted, that have in all likelihood significant "pheromonical" effects - pheromonical in the sense used on this forum that is. The only identified substance to actualy activate a true human pheromone receptor so far is still hedione.
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RE: Why not civetol?
10-26-2016 8:38 AM

Quote:"The only identified substance to actualy activate a true human pheromone receptor so far is still hedione."
What do you mean when you say pheromone receptor? I'm not a fan of using VNO activation as a proxy for pheromonal activity, but androstenone activates the VNO.

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