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Truffles as Pheromone putatives
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RE: Truffles as Pheromone putatives
07-25-2017 2:46 PM

Webmd and Wiki are not unfallible sources as Fedora already pointed out. Moreover, analytical data propagated on these kind of websites usualy only focus on the nutritional valus --- they hardly ever cite pollutants, toxins and stuff ... You won't read of Glyphosate content of wheat for example or other pesticide content of vegtable, antibiotcs in meat and so forth when you search for the composition and nutritional values of these things. Nevertheless stuff like that is present in the foods - and T is present in RJ.

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Researching subjects before posting is important. Sometimes we propagate and even start myths because of "what we heard" from someone with no knowledge of the subject.
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07-25-2017 4:58 PM

I don't know if smelling royal jelly produces those results. Royal jelly is usually taken as a vitamin suplement.

Truffles however were a smelling type reaction. Thus the pheromone possibilities.

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07-25-2017 5:10 PM

Quote:Experientia
November 1981, Volume 37, Issue 11, pp 1178–1179
The secret of truffles: A steroidal pheromone?
R. ClausH. O. HoppenH. Karg

Summary

The steroid 5α-androst-16-en-3α-ol has a pronounced musk-like scent. It is a major constituent of the pheromone of the boar. It occurs also in axillary sweat of men but is devoid of androgenic activity. The presence of this steroid has been demonstrated in truffles (Tuber melanosporum) both by radioimmunoassay and by gas chromatography-mass spectrometry in quantities of 40–60 ng/g fresh material. This offers an explanation for the ability of pigs to detect truffles growing as deep as 1 m under ground.
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07-26-2017 9:45 AM

(07-21-2017 7:20 PM)Ekscentra Wrote:  I've been thinking about this for some time. An interesting quote from Basenotes has intrigued me for months now. Of course, truffles are very expensive, and tincturing can be a lengthy process:

"I find that fresh truffles, especially those coming from the Perigord region in France (black winter truffles) and Alba truffles (white winter truffles), are the most pheremonic substances I know, even more than oud or authentic musk."

In addition, there are only two fragrances in the world that definitely contain real truffle tincture. Truffles being one of the most expensive ingredients in the world (not to mention most likely not being feasible for large-scale production), Tom Ford's Black Orchid and Noir de Noir almost certainly would not contain the real deal. You can find the two fragrances I'm speaking of below:

http://m.ebay.com/itm/152604162482

http://m.ebay.com/itm/152604162905

These attars are ultra expensive. Truffe Noire 1ml Artisanal Attar By Sultan Pasha is $3.25 per drop. Not only is it expensive...there are only 20 drops in a 1ml bottle.

The price point on a bottle of Clive Christian No. 1 Parfum for men for a 1.7 oz bottle is $2000. This comes out to 50 cents per drop

Compare that to A314, one of the most expensive pheromone blends which is 55 cents per drop.

(you know my math is bad so don't flame me if I am wrong)

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07-26-2017 6:42 PM

(07-26-2017 9:45 AM)Paradox Wrote:  These attars are ultra expensive. Truffe Noire 1ml Artisanal Attar By Sultan Pasha is $3.25 per drop. Not only is it expensive...there are only 20 drops in a 1ml bottle.

The price point on a bottle of Clive Christian No. 1 Parfum for men for a 1.7 oz bottle is $2000. This comes out to 50 cents per drop

Compare that to A314, one of the most expensive pheromone blends which is 55 cents per drop.

(you know my math is bad so don't flame me if I am wrong)

There are closer to 45-50 drops per milliliter. It's also important to consider potency - a full drop of Sultan Pasha's attars in particular is a massive dose. Generally, you'd want to apply closer to a swipe (the very tip at the end of the application wand). The inclusion of ambergris, high-grade agarwood, saffron, black truffles, white truffles, and a number of other expensive ingredients is the reason for the high costs. On application alone, one 3mL bottle from Sultan Pasha is likely to last at least as long as a bottle of Clive Christian, and for a significantly lower cost.
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07-27-2017 6:10 AM

(07-26-2017 6:42 PM)Ekscentra Wrote:  There are closer to 45-50 drops per milliliter. It's also important to consider potency - a full drop of Sultan Pasha's attars in particular is a massive dose. Generally, you'd want to apply closer to a swipe (the very tip at the end of the application wand). The inclusion of ambergris, high-grade agarwood, saffron, black truffles, white truffles, and a number of other expensive ingredients is the reason for the high costs. On application alone, one 3mL bottle from Sultan Pasha is likely to last at least as long as a bottle of Clive Christian, and for a significantly lower cost.

Respectfully, a drop is exactly 0.05 mL (50 μL, that is, 20 drops per milliliter). Look it up.

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07-27-2017 10:53 AM

(07-27-2017 6:10 AM)Paradox Wrote:  Respectfully, a drop is exactly 0.05 mL (50 μL, that is, 20 drops per milliliter). Look it up.

I'm aware that's the official measurement, but the term 'drops' is typically used to describe either bulb drops or Euro drops. The former is known to measure out to 32 drops per mL, while the latter is closer to 45-50 drops per mL (and can vary widely depending on the dropper itself!) - in either case, my point was that after adjusting for concentration, these attars come out significantly cheaper per application relative to Clive Christian or Roja Dove.
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07-27-2017 11:34 AM

(07-27-2017 10:53 AM)Ekscentra Wrote:  I'm aware that's the official measurement, but the term 'drops' is typically used to describe either bulb drops or Euro drops. The former is known to measure out to 32 drops per mL, while the latter is closer to 45-50 drops per mL (and can vary widely depending on the dropper itself!) - in either case, my point was that after adjusting for concentration, these attars come out significantly cheaper per application relative to Clive Christian or Roja Dove.

Respectfully, bulb droppers are calibrated to dispense 0.05 mL of liquid. One mL of liquid at .05 mL equals 20 drops....not 32,45 or 50.

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07-27-2017 12:24 PM

(07-27-2017 11:34 AM)Paradox Wrote:  Respectfully, bulb droppers are calibrated to dispense 0.05 mL of liquid. One mL of liquid at .05 mL equals 20 drops....not 32,45 or 50.

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07-27-2017 12:57 PM

(07-27-2017 11:34 AM)Paradox Wrote:  Respectfully, bulb droppers are calibrated to dispense 0.05 mL of liquid. One mL of liquid at .05 mL equals 20 drops....not 32,45 or 50.

No user on these boards has been able to reproduce those results. It's not inconceivable that the bulb droppers being purchased by vendors and users alike are built to a different standard. In either case, let's assume you're correct. Let us additionally assume that a swipe is half a drop rather than the 1/4th drop more commonly cited. At 3mL, that comes out to 160 applications. Finally, let us assume that two sprays is a typical application of Clive Christian or Roja Dove fragrance, which at 50mL comes out to 200 applications per bottle (assuming 0.125mL per spray, a common number for most sprayer types). Even by the most generous measurements and without taking ingredient quality into consideration, the aforementioned attars are in fact a better value than either Clive Christian No. 1 or Roja Dove after adjusting for potency. I wanted to clear this up for those interested in testing.
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