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So much for Freedom of Speech!
01-17-2010 10:35 AM

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Army Spc. Marc Hall sits in jail over “Stop-loss” song

After over a month of confinement, Army Specialist Marc Hall still sits incarcerated in the Liberty County Jail near Fort Stewart, GA. The U.S. Army jailed Hall on December 11, claiming that the lyrics of his hip-hop song, “Stop-loss” amount to the “communication of a threat.” Hall, an Iraq War veteran, recorded the song last summer, expressing his anger over the Army’s Stop-Loss policy, which involuntarily extended his contract for a second Iraq deployment. We believe that Spc. Hall’s right to free speech is being violated with the Army’s actions.


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01-17-2010 9:35 PM

Uh... was he still in the military when he did this?

Joining the military entails agreeing to certain things. That includes not taking political views, not talking bad about the president, not speaking out against the country... They give up the right to total free speech when they took their oaths to serve. And they also agree in those oaths to abide by the military code of justice, which is very different from the civilian code of justice.

So, he sits in jail because he forgot what he said, what he signed, and what he agreed to and what he swore an oath to uphold.

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01-18-2010 6:00 AM

Thats true about the oath you take. We have to take it at the post office to when we sign on. (snort) We can't take a public political view, although the union does endorse a candidate usually. Cant run for any type of political office, Cant talk bad about the current president, I dont remember the rest LOL. They are pretty lax on it at the PO but not in the military. We also cant talk to the media while in uniform. Cant endorse violance LOL I am not sure on this one they call people in the office if you talk about guns or having a gun. One guy in my office got a 7 day suspention because he was talking about some crime that happened and he was disturbed by it and in blowing off steam said something to the effect of. "I have a rutger (I think thats a gun) at home that would take care of those thugs once and for all." Union couldnt do a thing for him, its all part of the oath. Tisha

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Uh lets see, his enlistment period was over and he was on an involuntary extension, because the Army wanted to send him back to Iraq, and he wrote a song complaining about it. Yeah that's reason to throw him in jail.

I guess we just have to agree to disagree again.

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01-18-2010 10:55 AM

(01-18-2010 6:45 AM)mark-in-dallas Wrote:  Uh lets see, his enlistment period was over and he was on an involuntary extension, because the Army wanted to send him back to Iraq, and he wrote a song complaining about it. Yeah that's reason to throw him in jail. I guess we just have to agree to disagree again.

 

I don't thing this a disagreement as much as the legal reality.

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01-18-2010 10:59 AM

(01-18-2010 6:00 AM)Tisha Wrote:  

Thats true about the oath you take. We have to take it at the post office to when we sign on. (snort) We can't take a public political view, although the union does endorse a candidate usually. Cant run for any type of political office, Cant talk bad about the current president, I dont remember the rest LOL. They are pretty lax on it at the PO but not in the military. We also cant talk to the media while in uniform. Cant endorse violance LOL I am not sure on this one they call people in the office if you talk about guns or having a gun. One guy in my office got a 7 day suspention because he was talking about some crime that happened and he was disturbed by it and in blowing off steam said something to the effect of. "I have a rutger (I think thats a gun) at home that would take care of those thugs once and for all." Union couldnt do a thing for him, its all part of the oath. Tisha

"Going postal" has become an imbedded slang in our language for mass murder by gun.  Who knows when that one will lose any meaning.  Just reading this about your co-worker and his rutger gave me a chill.

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01-19-2010 11:35 AM

(01-18-2010 10:59 AM)Diane999 Wrote:  

 

"Going postal" has become an imbedded slang in our language for mass murder by gun.  Who knows when that one will lose any meaning.  Just reading this about your co-worker and his rutger gave me a chill.

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There was a game called postal a while back. Purpose of the game: pick up weapons, explosives, etc and kill as many people as possible while creating mayhem and bringing destruction upon the city.

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01-19-2010 12:13 PM

(01-18-2010 6:45 AM)mark-in-dallas Wrote:  Uh lets see, his enlistment period was over and he was on an involuntary extension, because the Army wanted to send him back to Iraq, and he wrote a song complaining about it. Yeah that's reason to throw him in jail. I guess we just have to agree to disagree again.

 

Guess you're too young to remember the "involuntary enlistments" (draft) during the Viet Nam war.:s

 

Much worse.


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(01-19-2010 12:13 PM)Mtnjim Wrote:  Guess you're too young to remember the "involuntary enlistments" (draft) during the Viet Nam war.:s

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of course I remember.  I was just a kid, but still clearly remember when our next door neighbor got the news that her son was killed.

And I rememeber when we pulled out and Siagon fell a couple of days later, and I remember the soldiers being treated like dirt.

There was talk of bringing the draft back when Bush Jr. first took office.


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(01-19-2010 12:49 PM)mark-in-dallas Wrote:  of course I remember.  I was just a kid,...

 

I wish I had been. I still remember the day I got my "inventation" to join the festivities.:(


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