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P96 - Any ideas on what it is?
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RE: P96 - Any ideas on what it is?
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Bump. Any one have any answers?
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RE: P96 - Any ideas on what it is?
06-11-2013 5:42 PM

(04-19-2013 5:53 AM)velinxs Wrote:  we just need to find someone who happens to have a laboratory / research facility / professional and have them start ordering from pharmaceutical suppliers Shout

...we can dream, right?. Dash1

I think that sounds like a brute force method. If you ever looked at what was available at sigmaaldrich.com that even looks like a steroid you'd say, "there is too much out there to try everything", especially when you are looking for just one molecule. Would you be able to find the "1" before some molecule melted your nose off, you know, bad reaction to some vague molecule.

I don't think any of the Pxxx molecules ever had concrete results, all pheromones have a somewhat etherial nature due to how it affects different individuals. Some of AndDir Pxxx could be different batches of the same molecule with different purity levels or different carrier scent additives with the same purity level.

So many different blind variables to find if you search in a brute force way.

I think you would need to have P96 to find out what P96 is. An analogy: How could you recognize Shakespear's plays without having read/seen one? You need some P96 in hand as a reference to compare to.

There are labs that will find out what is in P96, but the cost will be high in $$$. That wouldn't be hard to do, just hard to fit the bill.

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RE: P96 - Any ideas on what it is?
06-12-2013 1:13 PM

Dexter, would you happen to know how much this might cost? Big Grin

I think if its really that badly wanted and its not totally outrageous, some of us could get the money together.
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RE: P96 - Any ideas on what it is?
06-12-2013 1:43 PM

(06-12-2013 1:13 PM)phertest Wrote:  Dexter, would you happen to know how much this might cost? Big Grin

I think if its really that badly wanted and its not totally outrageous, some of us could get the money together.

It's been done before and didn't work out to well plus you need to have some unscented p96, which is like chickens teeth to find.
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RE: P96 - Any ideas on what it is?
06-13-2013 2:29 PM

(06-12-2013 1:13 PM)phertest Wrote:  Dexter, would you happen to know how much this might cost? Big Grin

I think if its really that badly wanted and its not totally outrageous, some of us could get the money together.

i've never used p96, so I don't know what I'm missing. I've so many different mones, and AndDir has so many that haven't been in stock since late 2010 when I bought my first 'mones from them.

Of course when I add up how much I've spent on 'mones from AndDir and look at how much a test might cost, the test might be cheaper. But hey what a few thousand bucks right? I don't know the cost of the "test", only how much I've sent AndDir way over a few years.

I'm all for testing stuff, finding out what I'm putting on my skin that may have an affect on me. Don't want too much Estrogen soaking thru the skin and giving me a transdermally induced case of Gynocomastia. If you don't know what's in it, then it is a little like russian roullette.

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RE: P96 - Any ideas on what it is?
06-20-2013 1:13 PM

Just in case you guys haven't noticed, XiSt by SteveO (or pheromoneXS) contains an ingredient called EpiAlloPregnanolone... the mix was based off Mustangs IBF mix which contained P96 as a core ingredient.

Since theres no reports or info on the molecule, I am curious... could it be... "the one" ? Big Grin

Btw, since its openly labelled on the product, I'm pretty sure its reasonable to openly discuss this.
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RE: P96 - Any ideas on what it is?
06-20-2013 2:27 PM

(06-20-2013 1:13 PM)phertest Wrote:  Just in case you guys haven't noticed, XiSt by SteveO (or pheromoneXS) contains an ingredient called EpiAlloPregnanolone... the mix was based off Mustangs IBF mix which contained P96 as a core ingredient.

Since theres no reports or info on the molecule, I am curious... could it be... "the one" ? Big Grin

Btw, since its openly labelled on the product, I'm pretty sure its reasonable to openly discuss this.

Excellent find. My biggest problem with AndDir is that their answer to discontinue. d molecules and mixes seems a little fishy. If they knew someone else could produce the same products they might be less likely to jack up prices and discontinue mixes. Anybody remember Panty scorcher mixes?
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RE: P96 - Any ideas on what it is?
06-20-2013 3:14 PM

That is actually what I thought P 96 was. Diane used it in her mix's and the same effects 96 had were often the missing piece of the puzzle to her mixes I could not quantify based on reports.

I would need to get my hand on some to test, and to know the purity, who they get it from, etc, as all variation could make some difference in the effects we see.

I think it is a VERY educated guess to call them close in effect.

My thinking behind it is, this is a list of what Diane put in her products:

Quote:Pheromones we use


Below is a list of the pheromones and putative pheromones we use in our blends. Many of these individual pheromones will be available again for sale to the consumer and pheromone enthusiast in pre-diluted spray form and as concentrates soon.

Specific Pheromones:
Androstadienone
Androstanone
Androstenol, Alpha
Androstenol, Beta
Androsterone
Androsterone, Epi
Androsterone, Epi-S
Androsterone-S
DHEA
DHEA-S
Estratetraenol
Estratetriendiol
Estratetrienolone
Etiocholanolone
Pregnanolone
Pregnanolone, Allo-
Pregnanolone, Epi-
Pregnanolone, Epi-Allo-
Pregnanolone, Epi-Allo-S
Pregnenolone
Pregnenolone-S
Tetrahydrocorticosterone (TH-DOC)
Tetrahydro-dehydrocorticosterone, Allo- (Allo-TH-DOC)


Diane was also a LONG time Androntic Direct customer/tester and this is her synopsis of P's and Products (For all the men here, this is golden for knowing how things effect women):

http://www.pheromonetalk.com/womens-pher...25251.html

Diane Wrote:These are my compiled research notes based on my post searches and also based on my own and my husband's experimentation. Please feel free to add to this post, correct where needed and add your own experiences with any of these. Forgive me for not crediting anyone for the work you've done, which I've unashamedly stolen for the compilation below. You all have my gratitude as do each of those who continue to test, test, test, and report on these and other molecules.

Pheromones notes:

A314/m "“ Mixture, Androstenone, Androsterone, Alpha- and Beta-Androstenol, TAA to buffer; Alpha male, confident, trust me vibe. 18 Pheromones total "“ 80% Androsterone , 20% steering molecules. Gives wearer the aura of the true Alpha Male, induces trust from other males, leadership, cooperation. Calming, trusting, authority vibe.

Androstenol "“ Communications and connection family of pheromones, produced in fresh sweat in both men and women. Androstenol also creates an aura of youth and health, which can help to create an impression of reproductive fitness, which is attractive. "“nols have a short life span, 2-3 hours. An over dose (OD) of Androstenol can cause: headaches, a feeling akin to a kind of drunken tiredness; an impression of weakness (making you appear a lot less alpha).

Alpha androstenol makes most people exposed very chatty, expressive, and even giddy, similar to a glass or two of champagne. It creates a friendly approachably impression, and can make the wearer seem less intimidating and more approachable. It seems to be more of a neurotic chatty pheromone than the beta isomer, touching more on empathy and romantic feelings.

Beta "“Androstenol promotes deeper connections and conversation and promotes honesty. At high doses (20-40 mcg) it can create an almost mystical or spiritual aura.

Androstadienone "“ component of male sweat, dubbed the "love" pheromone because it induces cuddling and affectionate behavior in females. Also causes heightened feelings of elation and calm in females. Showed in studies to increase positive mood and prevent the increase in negative mood in women. Also, body states of sensuality and warmth (measured by a visual analog scale) were increased or maintained by this pheromone. Affects last 1 to 2 hours after exposure. Can cause a pretty nasty rebound effect.

Androstenone- Negative bad boy pheromone. Causes irritabiliy and agression and sexual desire. Has the ability to cause arousal in women during their ovulation. It also has the ability cause irritation, nervousness, and agression in both men and women. With age you can increase the dose up to 15mcg for ages 50+ due to the depletion of natural -none production. Over 5.0 mcg can cause OD, agitation in others, being ignored by others, or other unpleasant side effects.

Androsterone "“ purely masculine and dominant pheromone, peaceful dominant alpha male pheromone; mood elevating effect on women. Causes High Perceived Value in male. Booster for other pheromone signals. Main ingredient in A314 .

Cops "“ Long chain fatty acid pheromone secreted by vagina when near semen; increases testosterone production of nearby males by 130% usually within 10-20 minutes of exposure. Reported to enhance females' perceived sexiness and attraction value.

Essence of Woman "“ Essence of a Woman from Lovescent. Copulins.


Kitten's PS Bubble Gum "“ recipe: 10 drops Essence of Woman to 4.0 mL Aqualina Pink Sugar perfume mixed in 5.0 mL to go bottle; let sit for 4 hours to compost.

My version: Diane's Butterscotch Cops - 1 drop Essence of Woman per Spray Aqualina Pink Sugar in 5 mL to go bottle; let sit for two days. This smells really yummy without being quite so sugary. Husband loves it.


Instant Female Magic For Men "“ Can make men feel/seem less Alpha. Pick me up spray for irritable women. Reported to lighten the mood of women exposed to it.

Instant Honesty "“ Alpha and Beta "“ Androstenol (70% beta, 30% alpha); promotes depth, close feelings, intense rapport, secrets, bonding, and extreme intimacy in the right context.

Instant Openess - Alpha and Beta "“ Androstenol (70% alpha, 30% beta); promotes a quantity of conversion/chatter box, lightness, good feelings.

Instant Sexiness/A "“ TAL , cops and undisclosed pheromones.

Instant Sexiness/B "“ TAH, cops and undisclosed pheromones.

Instant Shine "“ TAA is the main ingredient, gives you an aura of youth and confidence. Also contains TAF and other pheromones.

Lust After Me - Alpha"“ Androstenol , Cops and other pheromones .

Methoxyestratetraenone - methoxy-estratetraenone"“ At 150 mcg = instant horniness. Female happy sauce when paired with TAF , P103 and beta -nol . At high doses it can cause mild, but pleasant muscle contractions. Men find it centering and calming. In women it causes a sensual slowing down of sensation and an intense appreciation for all physical stimulation. (Paired with P103 and TAF = best sex ever!)

MX 134 "“ TAL, Androstenone, Cops , Androstenols; gives aura of Alpha Female competence and leadership.

MX274 "“ TAA, P74 heavy social "“ attention and mood lifter, empathy and closeness.

MX282 "“ sexy social.

MX335 "“ TAA , TAH , P79 , TAF , TAL , Copulins, Androstenol plus others. 54.6875 mcgs per spray of 8 pheromones/molecules, total. TAH heavy. Center of Attention, Life of the Party social, sexy mix.

P74 "“ Promote empathy and attention.

P79 "“ Pheromone enhancer, intensifier, synergy; helps others speak their mind and act on their thoughts or feelings; also a mood and sensation intensifier, eliminates defeatest attitudes and negativity, grounded confidence "“ needs to be steered in appropriate way, since this will enhance any/all moods, including bad ones. Possible combo: P79+TAF+p93 to get things done. Also reported to have sexual vibe for some. Since it is an intensifier when paired with sex Pheromones it should do the trick. Very fickle molecule with instant changeability, so timing is crucial for wearing it.

P83 "“ chatty, sexy putative, known to diminish inhibitions, can make one nervous, but can be calmed with 4x P86 (1:4 ratio)).

P86 "“ Relaxing, Can be excessively sedating if not paired with something more aggressive. Kicks in at about 20 minutes. Can cause a "shallow Hal" effect of making normally unattractive people very attractive. Causes brightening of the visual field, similar to TAA. High dosage can cause mild amphetamine-like reactions in some people.

P87 "“ Anti-depressant mood lifter. Causes lizard-like, complete emotional blunting, but intense focus on minute details. Very cerebral and very cold molecule.

P90 - this is a single molecule putative that causes extreme physical motivation to get things done. Great for large scale projects that don't require a huge amount of attention to detail, like clearing out closets, or straightening up the garage. Effects last 8 hours or more. Can cause sleeplessness.

P91 - Cheerful, loving, happy molecule. Small dose goes a long way.

P93 "“ this is a single molecule pheromone that causes group motivation and participation, and work supportive of the wearer (great with A314 ). More caffein like self effects reported from males, attractive for women. Paired with TAF this is an incredible molecule for focusing on tasks that need to get done, making one tirelessly obsessed with order and cleanliness without a single bit of irritation. Very nice nesting molecule. Reported to be arousing for some women.

P96 - this single molecule promotes cheerfulness and good humor.

P100 "“ focus and get things done, motivational, not irritated, just concentrating and getting it done, OCD deal closer for chores. Great paired with TAF for some. My personal experience is this is a little too much like an amphetamine and it has an extreme edginess and figgity feeling to it that I hate "“ too much like caffeine overdose. May be a sex-linked or genetic based difference, since others report only motivational effects.

P102 "“ up to 25.0 mcg promotes oral desires, like kissing. Between 25.0 and 50.0 mcg that desire turns to actual hunger for food. Increases non-visual sensuality, music appreciation.

P103 "“ Disinhibitor (37.5mcg), can be intoxicating and limiting to intellectual capabilities at doses higher than 25.0 mcg . Removes feelings of social isolation and inhibition. Can induce mindless happiness and total lack of censoring of conversation... but happily, rather than blurt out negative or damaging stuff. Can cause a nebulous, undefined hunger, if not sexually satisfied this turns into insatiable hunger for food.

P107 - causes amphetamine-like motivation. Can cause sleeplessness.

TAA "“ Single pheromone, reduces personal space, makes people feel better and brighten up, produces a fun, youthful, vibrant vibe. This pheromone has a short life span, 2-3 hours, but can be slowed down with the addition of lotion on top. Also known as "happy sauce". Main ingredient in Instant Shine, MX274. Also component of A314.

TAC "“ Calming, laid back, similar to P74 . High doses "“ unpredictable hilarity. Induces lower body relaxation, proported to enhance ability for women to orgasm; "cool, empty" pheromone, not good paired with TAA or P74 . This pheromone is good for gym workouts, but will inhibit heart rate elevation quite a bit. Workouts, especially lower body and cardio are easier. Time moves faster. Causes some disorientation, forgetfullness, clumsiness. TAC is very cool, distant. Can make others seem cold and uncaring when used alone at high doses. Definitely a relaxant. Harmonizing in social mixes. Buffer for "“none.

TAF "“ Single pheromone, focus attention to details, increases attention to small details, can cause spaciness at higher doses. Reduces social fear. Can cause jumpiness if too stimulated visually (not good for online gaming or intense visual stimulation). Encourages "stop and smell the roses" sensuality.

TAH "“ Single pheromone, gives Marylin Monroe sexy kitten aura to women; enhances smell and social sensuous feelings in men (easy to OD men). Can cause disrespect from some men. Makes me a little to pouty when I wear it.

TAL "“ Single pheromone, gives Angelina Jolie sexy goddess aura to women. Can cause bitchiness at high doses.

Turn Up The Heat "“ Androstenone and buffering pheromones to attenuate the negative effects of Androstenone. Arrousing for women, causes intensity of sensation and focus for women during sex.



The problem is I am no chemist, and I would not mess with making my own batch to figure out P's. But through attrition, what molecules and families we know dont act like P96 and the seldom posts/findings on Epi I think it is safe to say thats what it is or it acts in a close manor.

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RE: P96 - Any ideas on what it is?
06-21-2013 6:21 AM

Thanks for finding it, Kimba... I read it a while back but completely forgot about it.

So its settled then... I think we've cracked P96 -- or atleast something very similar to it. Its true, no matter what combination of friendly/status/sexual mones I've used, nothing seems to create the romantic vibe projected by XiSt. I haven't had the chance to try P96 so I didn't know why people wanted it so badly. If this is the case, I see why now...

I'd be interested in trying the other -preg- molecules but I have no clue how or where to source them.
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06-21-2013 9:00 AM

The good ones are cracked. 86, 83, 96, and such have close replacements.

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