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After all this time.. do pheromones work?
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RE: After all this time.. do pheromones work?
06-04-2012 11:39 AM

(06-04-2012 8:31 AM)js8166 Wrote:  Thanks! but.. I was never really lacking confidence. I did feel pretty good about myself. Even before. But confidence only goes so far. One could argue over personality vs. physical appearance, but I'm sure everyone agrees that physical appearance matters to some extent. I've already got confidence in check for the most part, but there's always room for improvement! I do need to work on physical appearance, and that's just something I'll have to be patient with. I'd say the third thing that matters is social skill, which is something that you can really only gain by experience. As an introvert (note, not necessarily a bad thing) I never really found too much pleasure going out and socializing. One of the things I've realized lately is that I'll just have to force myself into society's standards if I want to succeed (with ease).

To be honest, I came into mones just wanting to be more successful with women. However, I've stopped caring about that so much, and I'm more focused on having an image that commands the respect I think I deserve. I don't have a huge ego or anything, but when you are naturally quiet and overweight, people start off with negative thoughts about you. They think you're shy and have no confidence. They think you're lazy and have no self control. Well... that's just not me. If I have to turn myself around to prove that, then so be it.


this probably goes waaay beyond the world of pheromones. but whatever haha. i feel like i'm really putting myself out there. but whatever, i'm just js8166 from the internet. only Chris knows my real identity. i am pretty paranoid, but i trust he won't just give out one of his customer's private details.
feel free to say whatever in response. no need to be nice. at the end of the day, if i'm offended, i can just leave lol. no need to worry about any obligations to defend myself.



Edit: oh and yeah, I won't be throwing them out for a while for sure. I'll work on myself some more for at least a few months before I start over experimenting. I'll still use them occasionally, but I want a sort of fresh start when I start using again.


There two types of confidence.

The one that says a lot but fails you in the crunch time & the quite one that allows you to chill knowing you can trust yourself when your environment and around others.

I think you have the first one. Give the the subs and ebook a try. After all it's free.

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06-04-2012 12:28 PM

(06-04-2012 7:17 AM)js8166 Wrote:  Oh wow, so many replies. Haha wasn't really expecting all that. I'll reply to this one, it appears to cover a lot of topics


I'd say I'm pretty good at reading body language. At the very least, I can tell if someone is acting differently.
I wasn't expecting much. One of the things that I didn't like is that I went through life being pretty much unnoticed. I was hoping mones would at least get more people to look my way. With something like Glace, I was hoping that I'd get the occasional person to open conversation with me. When that didn't work, I tried starting conversations with other people to see if they would flow more naturally. Still nothing more than normal.
I used anywhere from small amounts to excessive amounts. Towards the end, I probably leaned more towards the excessive side, but I did try going out with just a couple sprays on.
Exposure time: Hmm.. anywhere from a few seconds to a few minutes. I'd think some of the stronger ones like A314 would take more time to work.
I always kept em in a sock drawer. The only time they say the light of day was when I went to put em on. My room is kept around 70-75 Fahrenheit all day.

This next part is what may have failed me..
I'll just come out and say it, I'm fat. I have been all my life. Right around February, when I put down the mones, is when I started working on dieting and stuff. I only recently moved from obese to overweight. Not trying to fish for compliments or anything, but I've dropped to about 24% BF. I can hopefully get to 20% by next sem. My ideal is about 10%, but the one I definitely see myself getting to is 15% by next summer.

That being said, I wasn't the most attractive guy out there, and I'm also not that great socially. This likely contributed to my lack of success. I should note, however, I don't let myself get down based on my looks or anything. I was going around with a neutral attitude.
I occasionally did experience self effects, but looking back they were all bad effects. Things like extreme social anxiety. I made a post about how I became extremely conscious about myself socially whenever I put on glace. It did go away after a little while. Looking back, it was probably caused by a mix of placebo and just my socially awkward self.

This one might also be interesting. I myself would never abuse legal or illegal drugs or alcohol (lol). However, my pet parrot did start dabbling in these things. She found that he has a high tolerance to stimulants. Ephedrine, caffeine, Vicodine, and even Adderall had no effects on her. My parrot even tried LSD with no effects. Her other parrot friend tried some from the same batch and got an excellent high. My parrot also drank for the first time ever. She drank about 10oz of liquor in quick succession but had trouble getting drunk. She was definitely not sober, but she didn't look as drunk as she should be.
I googled this natural tolerance, and it turns out that there are other parrots out there with similar issues.


I'd say that a significant portion of mone success is the positive body language which appears in response to the mones. There are studies showing that some men exposed to particular mones have more attractive body language. As I've developed a tolerance to many mones, the positive effects I've seen in others have diminished somewhat. And if I don't feel good, the effects are minimal to negative. So for starters, I'd say "don't do anything that makes you feel uncomfortable." In particular, if you're unconfident then "alpha" mones in any significant quantity may stress you out and worsen your body language. If you do choose to use them, put some DHEA or 7Keto DHEA under your nose to help negate the negative self effect. But in general I'd say; give up on any significant quantity of alpha mones for now. You will likely experience negative effects from all but the tiniest of amounts. (.1mcg or so) except, perhaps, for androstAnone.

In short; DON'T WEAR ANYTHING THAT MAKES YOU FEEL LESS CONFIDENT OR LESS HAPPY. Feeling good about yourself is the most important thing. The effect of mones on others is secondary.

Personally I tend to be in pretty decent shape. (Not tall, but reasonably fit.) However I can get stressed pretty easily. A314 did more harm for me than good, I think. And it didn't help that I hate the scent of Akuto.

My wife has the same issue that your parrot does with alcohol and caffeine. No effect from either. She almost never drinks, but she can't get drunk on even three cups of alcohol. And she didn't notice a response with Glace either. I'd point to this as one of the stronger factors in your experience.

Incidentally, thyroid issues, depression and PCOS run in her family. I'm wondering if your parrot has the same breeding. She's also had sleep problems in the past linked to her depression. Since Glace, alcohol and sleep all involve GABAergic receptors I wonder if there's a common issue there.

Quote:Exposure time: Hmm.. anywhere from a few seconds to a few minutes.

There are studies which show that some of the effects of androstadienone require as much as 2 HOURS to kick in. Androstenol, etc. and other mones are much quicker, obviously. But if you want to see a positive effect, try androstadienone in some situation where you'll be around a girl for that lengthy period of time. It will alienate guys, of course, something powerful.
But it's pretty consistently wonderful on girls. It spreads the 'nice guy' aura and elevates their moods.

It's great to hear you're working on self improvement.

When a person eats is significant in regards to how much weight they gain. Mice fed when they were usually asleep gained significantly more weight, even consuming the same # of calories. Make sure to get a decent amount of green vegetables. Calcium is great for metabolism, but your body needs vitamin K to use that calcium, otherwise it can lead to arterial calcification.

Hoodia at night can help you shape your eating patterns. Also, quality sleep is linked to good metabolism. Have you had any sleep issues?

A B vitamin complex can help with metabolism as well. Have you ever had B12 checked? Thyroid? A small number of people lack intrinsic factor to absorb b12 through their intestines, but they can absorb it under their tongue.

Best of luck!

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RE: After all this time.. do pheromones work?
06-05-2012 9:54 AM

(06-04-2012 12:28 PM)wiserd Wrote:  I'd say that a significant portion of mone success is the positive body language which appears in response to the mones. There are studies showing that some men exposed to particular mones have more attractive body language. As I've developed a tolerance to many mones, the positive effects I've seen in others have diminished somewhat.

So you used it only for your self effect? To straighten yourself up, both your body language and your confident way of thinking? And without that effect, you now have little effect from the pheromones? Or am i wrong?
If that is so, could it be pheromones doesnt work for you either? Could the self effect who gives the male an attractive body language just be a placebo since they now think they are attractive by using mones?

They use mones who they belive will make them attractive. And since they belive so, they will act this way as well. They get a pheromone for the first time. Add it on, and goes to the supermarket to look around while they feel great and attractive. The cashiergirl smile and say hello. So they get all high thinking the mone was wonderful and runs back, sit down at his computer to write a report about his first hit.

I belive JS deserves a lot of respect for this thread, as i belive he just write what many think but isnt brave enogh to say.
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06-05-2012 12:49 PM

(06-05-2012 9:54 AM)Q-Tips Wrote:  So you used it only for your self effect? To straighten yourself up, both your body language and your confident way of thinking? And without that effect, you now have little effect from the pheromones? Or am i wrong?
If that is so, could it be pheromones doesnt work for you either? Could the self effect who gives the male an attractive body language just be a placebo since they now think they are attractive by using mones?

They use mones who they belive will make them attractive. And since they believe so, they will act this way as well. They get a pheromone for the first time. Add it on, and goes to the supermarket to look around while they feel great and attractive. The cashiergirl smile and say hello. So they get all high thinking the mone was wonderful and runs back, sit down at his computer to write a report about his first hit.

I belive JS deserves a lot of respect for this thread, as i belive he just write what many think but isnt brave enogh to say.

I didn't use mones only for self effects. I simply didn't say that. Positive self effects were never my intention at all. The residual distraction from nols was often annoying at work, in fact. And I do still get results from mixes which don't affect me (much) any more. But self effects and their pro-social impact on body language contributed to the effect, and I would get positive reactions from people in cars, sometimes, just because I was smiling more and looking at people. But I have much more solid evidence than this.

Androstadienone is the clearest example of the positive effectiveness of mones. It gave me mild depression at times, but very clearly improves some women's opinion of me. And notably, when it caused depression, that depression didn't actively hurt my body language. Mones that explicitly made me stressed didn't help me out much, however, till I worked on fixing that stress or just eliminating the molecule. The impact of negative self effects from those molecules weighed more heavily on me than positive effects on others. Or if I have a headache or feel embarrassed, (or if someone is so Androstenone sensitive that my cover scent doesn't cover the smell) those things will be more significant than help from the mones. And if I have a headache from some mix I made, I know I'm going to be scowling more than usual and that impacts people.

Alpha Dream's website warns that less confident males can sometimes have this issue with more "alpha" mixes. So people, even vendors, have written about this issue. This isn't really anything that new.

I could concentrate on being relaxed and smiling and sometimes correct my body language, but it took an effort.

I'm sure there's some placebo effect at work and I've tried to account for that. But I'll also swear that there's far more to the impact of various molecules than just a placebo effect. At times, I've tried talking to a person, spraying some mones on my hand and then watched their body language change. I've tested various molecules that are not known pheromones to see if they have an effect or not. People tended to agree that certain test molecules had no beneficial effect, even when they didn't know one another's results. I've tried very hard to be rigorous about this and I'm absolutely certain that there's more to mones than just placebo effect and confirmation bias.

I've seen women start rubbing their chests or getting agitated because of mixes that I've worn. Since I'm not looking for sex, I don't necessarily find such outcomes advantageous but I do find them interesting. I've had women suddenly start complaining about their husbands and inquiring into my relationship status in a way that made it clear that they were hitting on me, and were confused when I didn't reciprocate. I've seen behavior in friends which was simply beyond their normal behavior (like showing skin, etc.) when I was testing this stuff out. I won't go into detail, but I have a few examples of androsterone creating jealousy to the point that I'm careful of who I wear it around. I didn't go into any social situation with the expectation that that particular effect might be significant.

I don't think changes in my behavior were sufficient to account for this. So no, I don't think that the entire effect is a placebo effect or the result of my body language. I can point to a whole litany of experiences (both good and bad) that I wouldn't have had without mones.

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06-06-2012 5:12 PM

Thanks for clearing that out Wiserd. Sorry if you think i had doubts in you, i didnt, i just wanted you to clearify i little more.
If i should say what i think, the self effect are the real evidence you'll ever need to know pheromone works. After all if yourself get the wanted effect, why shouldnt other standing in your clouds get the same effect? And anyone trying out mones and got an self effect should know this, no matter if it is an instant effect or a gradual chances in mood or behaviour.
But when a person doesnt get a self effect, or as JS who only get bad effect, then theres clearly something wrong.
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06-06-2012 6:54 PM

(06-06-2012 5:12 PM)Q-Tips Wrote:  Thanks for clearing that out Wiserd. Sorry if you think i had doubts in you, i didnt, i just wanted you to clearify i little more.
If i should say what i think, the self effect are the real evidence you'll ever need to know pheromone works. After all if yourself get the wanted effect, why shouldnt other standing in your clouds get the same effect? And anyone trying out mones and got an self effect should know this, no matter if it is an instant effect or a gradual chances in mood or behaviour.
But when a person doesnt get a self effect, or as JS who only get bad effect, then theres clearly something wrong.

It's all cool.

I feel the best way to look at the matter (and others may feel differently) has been that mones do not provide social context and social context is vital. Social context is still 110% up to the individual. What mones can do is influence existing relationships or steer relationships which would have been created anyways. So mones will not give you friends or coworkers. They will not convert strangers on the street into friends by the power of their awesome magic if you wouldn't be capable of making friends out of people on the street normally. There are exceptions, but they're rare and the person who waits for them will spend most of their time waiting.

They will alter group dynamics and flavor the interactions of people who would have interacted with you anyways.

People still need to have a logical reason to spend time with you. Those reasons are the peg that they hang their positive association on and mones do not replace them.

Even if you had a magic button that made a woman incredibly turned on whenever you were in her presence, 99% of girls are simply not going to act on that impulse alone. Depending on the girl and the molecule, I could definitely see someone using this stuff to dig his way out of the friend zone, though.

I also think that better results will be seen with longer time frames and more potentiating molecules. Androstadienone and androstAnone are potentiating. Androstenone usually isn't. At least, that's been my experience.

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06-07-2012 9:44 AM

(06-06-2012 6:54 PM)wiserd Wrote:  It's all cool.

I feel the best way to look at the matter (and others may feel differently) has been that mones do not provide social context and social context is vital. Social context is still 110% up to the individual. What mones can do is influence existing relationships or steer relationships which would have been created anyways. So mones will not give you friends or coworkers. They will not convert strangers on the street into friends by the power of their awesome magic if you wouldn't be capable of making friends out of people on the street normally. There are exceptions, but they're rare and the person who waits for them will spend most of their time waiting.

They will alter group dynamics and flavor the interactions of people who would have interacted with you anyways.

People still need to have a logical reason to spend time with you. Those reasons are the peg that they hang their positive association on and mones do not replace them.

Even if you had a magic button that made a woman incredibly turned on whenever you were in her presence, 99% of girls are simply not going to act on that impulse alone. Depending on the girl and the molecule, I could definitely see someone using this stuff to dig his way out of the friend zone, though.

I also think that better results will be seen with longer time frames and more potentiating molecules. Androstadienone and androstAnone are potentiating. Androstenone usually isn't. At least, that's been my experience.

Damn wiserd, you just burst my mones bubble! Laugh1 But well said. Repped and would vote this for quote of the month if I know how.

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(06-07-2012 9:44 AM)ZB pmones Wrote:  Damn wiserd, you just burst my mones bubble! Laugh1 But well said. Repped and would vote this for quote of the month if I know how.

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06-21-2012 9:11 PM

mmmm self effects. I mean placebo is a helluva drug. Strongest one there is. At my school kids used to smoke an incense called red rocks opium, they didnt realize it was just incense (I mean why else would it be sold in a store) but you wouldn't guess by how they reacted. its interesting
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06-21-2012 10:46 PM

Jancoman, would you say all self effects from using mones are placebo? And if so, how big a chance is it that all the respond you see from other are placebo?
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